For the Second Amendment absolutists

[vanguard96]

It was pretty obvious that in this case in Alexandria, the left will blame lax gun laws since they cannot fall back on the white supremacist, Trump fan logic. And the right blame the rhetoric of hate for the GOP and normalized violence that the left is encouraging (Kathy Griffin, Trump getting killed in Central Park Julius Caesar nightly, punch a Nazi/fascist/racist normalization for the progressives)

The situation now is a reverse of what happened with the Giffords shooting when Sanders asked McCain to do more. Now Sanders is right to say it was the perpetrators' own responsibility and Gingrich is saying the left is encouraging violence.

However, I am sure if it was a Trump fan shooting Democrats you would have seen massive grandstanding from the usual culprits like Franken, Waters, Pelosi, Kaine (since he's from VA), Hillary, Everytown Bloomberg, Brady Bill folks, that Mass AG who decided to ban semi-auto rifles, Michael Moore, Rachel Maddow, and all the people who say we should follow Mexico's gun grabbing policies or that it is squarely on Trump's shoulders and that the 2A should be thrown away.

Liberals usually only focus on the high profile shootings - like Newtown, Orlando, and so forth. I don't see a lot about the regular deaths in Chicago or DC - except for a sheer statistical reporting fact but not with connection to gun laws. How am I supposed to support someone who does not split out suicides from gun murders when they quote stats - and these people like Warren or Obama or Clinton will be the very same people touting $15 min wage or the gender wage gap (77%) in bullet point appeals to emotion to 'do something'
 
Then someone will say the typical argument that guns would be no good against drones and a modern army. Of course if that was the case would the modern army - many of them pro-gun support droning Americans en masse? Also they have had a bad track record in the Middle East the last 16 years with people with small arms.

Or the idea that the 2A was not based on semi-automatic arms. Muskets and old slow single shot rifles were the norm. Of course show me where the constitution or bill of rights mentions muskets. Or how the internet is mentioned for free speech.

At the end of the day I would rather have the right and not need them vs need them and not have the right. The right to bear arms is not solely for hunting or even self defense. It is still for this purpose - and to connect the shooter to this purpose is a fallacious argument.

[vanguard96]

Bulls-. The shooter himself essentially gave that as his argument for the shooting.

In the Middle East, you had, most of the time, a small number of U.S soldiers, what the armies in those nations could do is of no bearing to what the U.S military could do.  Also, the gorilla fighters there were never a serious threat to overthrowing their governments, they could just destabilize them.

Your point is where all this leads, for a revolution to succeed, it needs the military to be onside.  If the military is onside, they don't need yahoo Second Amendment types to help them out, if the military is not onside, the yahoos are no threat to them.  If the military stays neutral (for a time), we get to my second point: the public is extremely divided on what a 'tyrannical government' is, and we'd almost certainly have a civil war until the military stepped in and restored order (and the government would stay in power.)

The argument of people needing guns to prevent a tyrannical government is completely nonsensical, and when that argument is rejected once and for all, the courts, the government and the people can turn to interpreting the Second Amendment under the sound argument of people having a basic right to own firearms for their own personal safety. 

Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison, Patrick Henry, George Mason, et al. were all nonsensical in your book?

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788