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Higgins
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« on: July 29, 2017, 10:05:11 PM »

Nixon wouldn't be appalled, but he'd think Trump was a class A dunce. Nixon respected intellectual curiosity. I think he'd be amazed at Trump's astounding stupidity. But I think at the same time he'd find a kindred spirit in Trump re: the media and establishment politicians.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 01:16:54 AM »

Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Theodore Roosevelt, and Richard Nixon would be big fans.

I don't follow this one.

John Tyler, the guy who betrayed this nation to the Confederacy? I can buy him supporting Trump.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 01:20:15 AM »

Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Theodore Roosevelt, and Richard Nixon would be big fans.

I somewhat doubt that given where TR ended his political career...

^^ This.

One also is forgetting that TR was a man who loved knowledge. He is the second most well-read President next to Jefferson. He respected a man who was a fighter. He wouldn't respect Trump's twitter tantrums. He wouldn't respect Trump's almost illiterate way of speaking. He wouldn't respect Trump's avoidance of military service; he would deem it cowardly and un-American. He wouldn't respect Trump belittling our Generals or mocking McCain; he would deem that un-American. He might agree with Trump on matters of national security, but he would otherwise likely hate him. The only area they have any similarity is on immigration. Trump's early 20th century equivalent would be little more than a thuggish Tammany Hall boor.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 01:45:26 AM »

Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Theodore Roosevelt, and Richard Nixon would be big fans.

One of the most ridiculous answers I have seen in this forum.

Teddy Roosevelt was possibly one of the most intellectual & well read US President in history. His reading habits are legendary, the man finished 1 book a day before breakfast, something unheard of for politicians globally at any era.

Not just that he was hard left in economics compared to his time & total anti-big business person. He was the trust-buster & he founded the Progressive party with hard left ideas well to the left of both major parties. Infact much of what FDR did in his New Deal when it comes to workers was borrowed/inspired from Teddy Roosevelt.

Teddy would hate Trump.

Also consider he held deep disdain for those who inherited their wealth.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 11:52:49 PM »
« Edited: July 30, 2017, 11:56:25 PM by Higgins »

They would still support him politically, these are people who were brought up in a society where women couldn't vote.

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I did not know that.

nationalcenter.org/TRooseveltMotherhood.html

But read this speech (I can't include links), it's patriarchal as those were the attitudes back then. So why would Presidents be culturally liberal and oppose Donald Trump?

As patriarchal as you feel that speech is, can you ever, ever in a million years see Trump saying something as respectful, or as loving of women as this part of it?:

"No ordinary work done by a man is either as hard or as responsible as the work of a woman who is bringing up a family of small children; for upon her time and strength demands are made not only every hour of the day but often every hour of the night. She may have to get up night after night to take care of a sick child, and yet must by day continue to do all her household duties as well; and if the family means are scant she must usually enjoy even her rare holidays taking her whole brood of children with her. The birth pangs make all men the debtors of all women. Above all our sympathy and regard are due to the struggling wives among those whom Abraham Lincoln called the plain people, and whom he so loved and trusted; for the lives of these women are often led on the lonely heights of quiet, self-sacrificing heroism."

Do you think Trump would ever have enough respect for women to understand how hard a woman's lot is?

Do not ever put TR in the same boat as Trump. TR loved his first wife desperately and respected her and put her on a painful pedestal for the rest of his life after she died. Do you think Trump has loved any of his wives?

"She was beautiful in face and form, and lovelier still in spirit; As a flower she grew, and as a fair young flower she died. Her life had been always in the sunshine; there had never come to her a single sorrow; and none ever knew her who did not love and revere her for the bright, sunny temper and her saintly unselfishness. Fair, pure, and joyous as a maiden; loving, tender, and happy. As a young wife; when she had just become a mother, when her life seemed to be just begun, and when the years seemed so bright before her—then, by a strange and terrible fate, death came to her. And when my heart’s dearest died, the light went from my life forever."

Trump could never appreciate a woman beyond the beauty of her face or the shape of her body. To Trump, those are the only things that make a woman worth anything.

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