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AustralianSwingVoter
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« on: December 20, 2022, 11:11:48 PM »

Leo Varadkar has been elected as the new Taoiseach, following the 2020 FG-FF agreement. Micheál Martin is now the Tánaiste.



How tall is Higgins? He looks like a hobbit.

5’4 according to Google.

Huh, so it's Varadkar who's quite tall, then.



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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2024, 02:40:42 AM »



I see Varadkar hasn't changed his approach...
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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2024, 06:01:45 AM »

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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2024, 11:00:00 AM »

The first government minister sent out to address the media was Eamon Ryan... as it always seems to be. FF/FG do seem to love him as a shield for literally anything unpopular.
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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2024, 02:37:50 AM »

Varadkar is David Cameron for people who dislike the word "conservative," Exhibit I've-lost-count.

Eamon Ryan makes for a perfect Nick Clegg in this analogy.
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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2024, 03:20:57 AM »

Varadkar is David Cameron for people who dislike the word "conservative," Exhibit I've-lost-count.

Eamon Ryan makes for a perfect Nick Clegg in this analogy.

No, not really. The Irish Clegg was Éamonn Gilmore.

Clegg took over a party which might not have been particularly internally-coherent but all the various strands (rural-dwellers in the Scottish Highlands, mid-Wales, and the west of England; young and ethnic minority voters disenchanted with Labour over Iraq and student fees; suburbanites with a social conscience) had one thing in common - they were "not Tory". Clegg consciously decided to explode that coalition in the delusionbelief that it could be replaced by a clone of the FDP.

You can argue that the Greens cover part of the old Lib Dem coalition, but only one part - upper middle-class urban voters who consider themselves "progressive". The Greens have never been a sizeable party in the way that the Lib Dems were and they have always been quite ideologically-coherent; they are essentially a "fundi" Green party choc-a-bloc with cranks of all stripes but one not much if at all concerned with economic equality or redistribution. They were carried into government more by Greta Thunberg and David Attenborough than by their own inherent appeal. Unlike Clegg, they haven't done a U-turn on their core policies; instead they have been largely indulged by the two larger parties on the Green Party activists' priorities in exchange for support on other issues.

The problems are that:

a) the Greens' priorities are massively unpopular beyond the "progressive" middle class and are especially so with rural and working-class voters;
b) the three Green ministers are seen as detached from reality and incompetent.

Very interesting points! I should clarify, I meant no real reference to deep ideology in the comparison. And I’d agree that Eamonn Gilmore and Joan Burton compare similarly well.

I merely meant in the sense of “third party leader joins right-leaning/neoliberal coalition, betrays voters, senior coalition partner blames literally everything that goes wrong on them, party and leader’s popularity collapses as a result.

The way Eamon Ryan seems to carry the can for every unpopular coalition policy makes me think of Clegg.
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AustralianSwingVoter
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2024, 07:43:59 PM »

So how much of the sizeable current "Independent" support in polls is actually far/populist right?

A lot of it is proxy for p***ed-off (with things in general) and populist independents of various degrees of rightness are the natural beneficiaries of that given that the various left parties have gone down assorted rabbit-holes rather than dealing with issues that the voters are actually concerned with. I remain hopeful that the actual far right (actual, as opposed to a label that the Trot and Yank-brained left slap on anyone who disagrees with them) are too weird and offputting to gain traction.

So the independent polling is still more parish pumpers like the Healy-Rae's than ideologues?
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