Study: Lesbian Couples Twice as Likely to Divorce as Gay Couples

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There's virtually no motivation to stay together when neither party wants sex and only wants to take advantage of the other.

[opebo]

There's virtually no motivation to stay together when neither party wants sex and only wants to take advantage of the other.

Not all women are paid prostitutes, old chap.

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Bold prediction: This thread will not end well

Apparently the entire point of view expressed by myself (see the deleted post above) and Lewis Trondheim is completely disallowed from the forum:

Simply that without a gullible, dick-led man in the relationship, a lesbian marriage is simply two con-artists trying to get the better of the other:  rather a dead end.

[opebo]

...without a gullible, dick-led man in the relationship, a lesbian marriage is simply two con-artists trying to get the better of the other:  rather a dead end.

opebo, first of all: That's a load of bull; second of all: Have you ever read Tanizaki's Manji?

I have not.

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I never said they mightn't 'do it well' (a subjective and ephemeral concept anway).  What I was pointing out is the motivations for engaging in the relationship at all are sorely lacking.  In a m-f relationship the male gets a bit of sex and the woman gets all she trades for the sex... in a m-m relationship they both get sex... and in a f-f relationship what do they get?  It is problematic because they can't both get the better of the other.

[opebo]

I never said they mightn't 'do it well' (a subjective and ephemeral concept anway).  What I was pointing out is the motivations for engaging in the relationship at all are sorely lacking.  In a m-f relationship the male gets a bit of sex and the woman gets all she trades for the sex... in a m-m relationship they both get sex... and in a f-f relationship what do they get?

sex

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You're being silly.  I never base my analysis on anecdotal evidence - in fact like anyone else, women appeared to 'want sex' with me when I was young, and it still occurs very rarely.  The point is you look at the structure of society - the evidence is that they hardly want it at all compared to men in general. 

You make the faulty assumption that your poor experiences with women and inability to have normal relationships is due to some general failings of humanity and the world. But I'm afraid it's more to do with you.

See, in my experience women enjoy sex rather a lot. And don't try to rip you off. And I on my side don't want relationships just for the sex either.

It makes sense that you would get this idea if all your intimate interaction comes from prostitutes, but you need to realize that you are being extremely narrow-minded and naive.

You're being just as silly as drj.  My relationships with women have been excellent, above the average I'm quite sure.  Lots of pretty girlfriends when I was young.

I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience.  Open your eyes and look around you, Gustaf.  You are like I was young, rich, etc.  Look at how the whole world works, and think about your own future, don't just look right in front of your sex-addled nose.

[opebo]

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Uh, he did say "I'm basing my analysis on looking at society, not my own anecdotal experience."

Sure he did. But nobody who has had mutually fun, positive, reciprocal sexual relationships with women seriously believes this whole "women are asexual b*tches who just use sex to steal guys' money" bs

Sure one would, girlfriend.  I never said 'bitches' - I never use pejorative terms about the ladies.  But just because I had some sexual fun with girls I liked back in my 20s and 30s doesn't mean that there isn't a bigger picture out there.  You need to look beyond your own anecdotes, man.

Forgive me for not believing boasts of sexual and romantic success from a guy who's method of getting sex is paying foreign prostitutes.

Quite frankly it seems bizarre to me that anyone would call having normal relationships during ones youth through very early middle age, and participating in a normal 'sexual life' something to 'boast' about.  To think that this sort of bland normality is boastworthy sounds to me like the supposition of a nerd or geek virgin.

In any case as one gets old all that is behind one.  With what sexually attractive woman could an old man such as myself have intercourse now, sans prostitution, drj?

[opebo]

Hetero divorce rates are about 35 years away from a record.

Promiscuity, too, alas.

[opebo]

For most people I wouldn't consider maintaining normal human relationships anything special, but given that we're talking about you here it is indeed quite surprising.

Just because I'm accessing the easy option of professionals in my decrepitude doesn't mean I always did so.  You do realize that life is entirely different for a fellow in his middle forties than one in his middle twenties?