race-based affirmative action roll call

[opebo]

I'm for it, though I think massive redistribution through government programs, unionization, free education and health care, and a generous welfare state for all working class persons - and special reparations for blacks - paid for by taxes upon the owning class are even more important policies to implement.

[opebo]

my friend Jarvis (black):
PSAT 197, SAT around 1400, class rank in the top third maybe, somewhere around there, a few extracirricular, applies to all sorts of schools, accepted by all of them, including acceptance and a small scholarship to Rice, where he didn't even go to the optional interview

my friend Daniel (white):
PSAT 235, ACT 35, SAT 1600, salutatorian, a lot of extracirricular, the smartest guy I've ever met, really wants to go to Rice, applies, does the whole interview shebang, does not get accepted

How can anyone support this sh**t?

It is making up for the many generations in which blacks were utterly barred from university education.  Additionally, please remember that very few blacks can afford to go to college even in the present day, Harry.

[opebo]

It is making up for the many generations in which blacks were utterly barred from university education.

How is that in any way related to those who are going to college today? Just because one's ancestor was prohibited from attending a university, one's own chances are not in any way affected.

You obviously have no understanding of the operations of class in our social heiarchy, Emsworth, or perhaps are pretending such ignorance.  Of course whether ones antecedents went to university is the biggest determinant of whether one is able to go,  though it is more simply boiled down to money.  Naturally the discrimination and oppression which has been applied to blacks for generations has made them extremely poor, and the poor cannot purchase education.

[opebo]

 

So Opebo would rather let an idiot get into a good college just on color and not on ability because slavery was terrible in the past. -_-

Yes, instead of the normal reason people go to good colleges ('idiot' or not) - their parents are rich.

[opebo]

I don't see why I or anyone else should pay for my "oppresive ancestors."  In fact, my ancestors weren't even in the Southern United States at the time of slavery, Civil War etc.  Why should I pay for something my ancestors didn't do?

Good point here. Many of the whites in this country, inluding most of my family, had not arrived before around 1900 and never resided south of Maryland, nor did they own slaves. I see little reason why reparations should come from families like mine if they were to be implemented at all.

You've been favoured since then.  Particularly if you are part of the owning class.

[opebo]

I don't see why I or anyone else should pay for my "oppresive ancestors."  In fact, my ancestors weren't even in the Southern United States at the time of slavery, Civil War etc.  Why should I pay for something my ancestors didn't do?

Good point here. Many of the whites in this country, inluding most of my family, had not arrived before around 1900 and never resided south of Maryland, nor did they own slaves. I see little reason why reparations should come from families like mine if they were to be implemented at all.

You've been favoured since then.

How so?  I'm fascinated that you know so much about my personal life.

Obviously you have if you are white.

[opebo]

Tell me more.  I want to know how I've been favored.

So, your claim is that a black male suffers no disadvantage compared to  you?

[opebo]

Don't put words in my mouth.  You say I've been favored.  I want to know how.

In the same way I have been favored, as in relative favor compared to the black.

[opebo]

 

So Opebo would rather let an idiot get into a good college just on color and not on ability because slavery was terrible in the past. -_-

Yes, instead of the normal reason people go to good colleges ('idiot' or not) - their parents are rich.

My school is one of the most respected in the nation, yet very few people here have rich parents(I haven't actually met any that have, I simply assume at least a few exist). The vast majority of people aren't rich, so the vast majority of good colleges would not be majority rich kids.

What school is that?  A public school?

[opebo]

Don't put words in my mouth.  You say I've been favored.  I want to know how.

In the same way I have been favored, as in relative favor compared to the black.

This doesn't answer my question.  I want to know how I have been favored over blacks, and who is favoring me.

I'm not going to indulge in your little game, Ebowed.  As you well know you are favored by nearly everyone, and institutionally by society as a whole.

[opebo]

Don't put words in my mouth.  You say I've been favored.  I want to know how.

In the same way I have been favored, as in relative favor compared to the black.

This doesn't answer my question.  I want to know how I have been favored over blacks, and who is favoring me.

I'm not going to indulge in your little game, Ebowed.

In other words, not answer my question.

To answer it would be tiresome and pointless since your advantage are so obvious, from lack of fear when you walk around in 'nice' neighborhoods to preferrential treatment in hiring or business relations, to lack of harrassment by the police.. the list could go on and on. 

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How do you figure?  I don't see how I specifically am being favored over any specific black person, and why I should pay reparations.
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Such specificity is not necessary for the argument that whites in general are favored.  In any case we were refering to affirmative actions.   Reparations would have to be payed by those who have the money - the owning class.

[opebo]

Exactly, your arguement is horse sh!t. Play again some time

Jake, your posts on this forum are evidence of the kind of discrimination the black faces in America.

[opebo]

Exactly, your arguement is horse sh!t. Play again some time

Jake, your posts on this forum are evidence of the kind of discrimination the black faces in America.

Your denial of racial prejudice in America is certainly 'horsesh**t', Pokey.

[opebo]

Don't put words in my mouth.  You say I've been favored.  I want to know how.

In the same way I have been favored, as in relative favor compared to the black.

This doesn't answer my question.  I want to know how I have been favored over blacks, and who is favoring me.

I'm not going to indulge in your little game, Ebowed.

In other words, not answer my question.

To answer it would be tiresome and pointless since your advantage are so obvious, from lack of fear when you walk around in 'nice' neighborhoods to preferrential treatment in hiring or business relations, to lack of harrassment by the police.. the list could go on and on. 

If I may interject here…  That may happen sometimes, and it’s very sad when people discriminate against blacks or other minorities, but I think the only way to help those who have been wrongly treated is to not discriminate against, or for, them.  We can’t just give them a whole lot of easy breaks because their ancestors had hard ones in the past.  Everyone has to work to earn what is rightfully theirs, they can’t just be given collage and a job on a silver platter, or else some of them might stop working for it, and there is no sense of accomplishment in something that may or may not be really earned by you.  You have to earn getting your job or your collage entry, or it won’t mean anything to you.  Don’t you understand?  You’re not giving them anything, your taking away something they may never get to experience.

Work and 'individual accomplishment' have nothing to do with.  We are talking about one's position in the class heirarchy as determined by race and class.  You're falling for the old personal responsibility argument, Whizz, which of course makes no sense given how little control individuals have over their own lives.