Pacific Legislature Official Thread

[jerusalemcar5]

If it may please the legislature, I'd like to say that passage of such a bill would be disgustingly prejudicial based on age, oppressive, and undemocratic.  I'd just like to point out a couple of many ridiculous clauses. According to Section 3 Clause 9 and Section 4 Clause 1 a 16 yr old who has sex with a 15 yr old can get 6 months in prison. 6 months! For having sex! Section 3 Clause 8 a 16 yr old who has oral sex or touches sexually a 14 yr old, 6 months imprisonment also. Other clauses, though not quite as outlandish as the ones mentioned, are too restricitve and base this restriction based on biased stereoptyping about age.  I strongly urge all true Atlasiana that support democracy to reject this bill in its entirety. Thank you.

I seek to introduce the following bill before the Pacific legislature. It is an effective consolidation of similar bills that I proposed in the Mideast. For a graphical representation of the provisions of section 3, see here. Red is first degree stat. rape, Orange is second degree; Yellow is carnal sexual conduct; Green is legal.

Pacific Pornography and Sex Crime Bill
Section 1: Right to pornography
   1. All those persons of 16 years of age or older not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to buy, possess and view pornography depicting only consenting persons of 18 years of age or older.

Section 2: Right to engage in sexual relations
   1. All those persons of 16 years of age or older not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to give consent to engage in sexual acts, including sodomy, with other persons of 16 years of age or older.
   2. All those persons between the ages of 14 years old and 16 years old not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to consent to engage in oral sex or mutual masturbation with persons between the ages of 14 years old and 18 years old.
   3. All those Laws criminalising solitary masturbation are repealed.
   4. All those laws outlawing particular sexual conducts based on the number of persons engaged in the conduct are hereby repealed.
   5. All those laws outlawing particular sexual conducts based on the sex, sexuality, marital status, race, religion, ancestry or nationality of those engaged in the conduct are hereby repealed.

Section 3: Definition of sex crimes
   1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 14 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree.
   2. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 12 years by a person over the age of 18 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree.
   3. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 10 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree.
   4. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the second degree.
   5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 10 and 12 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 years is defined as statutory rape of the second degree.
   6. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree.
   7. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as carnal sexual conduct.
   8. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct.
   9. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct.
  10. The clauses in this Section shall only apply to circumstances where all parties involved in the sexual conduct were willing, even though they are unable under the Law to give informed, legal consent.

Section 4: Punishment for sex crimes
   1. Those guilty of Carnal Sexual Conduct may be punished by up to six months in prison and a fine of up to $1000. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall not be placed on the Sex Offenders Register.
   2. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the Second Degree may be punished by up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to $7500. If released a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for up to twenty years.
   3. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the First Degree may be punished by up to life in prison and an unlimited fine. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for life

Section 5: Construction
   1. Nothing in Sections 3 and 4 shall be construed to amend in anyway the definitions of, or punishments for, rape where consent by one of the parties involved is not given.

[jerusalemcar5]

Wait, so are you arguing against an age of consent altogether?

Yes, though the age of consent is confusing in this bill since it depends on which sexual act you are committing.  How am I too immature to consent to sex with a 25 yr old (I'm 15)? That just makes no sense.  You cannot group people by age, race, sex, religion, or other meaningless factors.  Being a teenager doesn't mean you can't maturely consider your actions and neither does being a women or being black. 

[jerusalemcar5]

How am I too immature to consent to sex with a 25 yr old (I'm 15)? That just makes no sense.  You cannot group people by age, race, sex, religion, or other meaningless factors.  Being a teenager doesn't mean you can't maturely consider your actions and neither does being a women or being black. 

This is a bit strange cos I remember you arguing that history months based on race are not inherently discriminatory.

Honestly, your argument wouldn't hold up anywhere.  It is pretty much universally agreed that pedophilia is unacceptable; that's why we have an age of consent.  This proposed law actually lowers the age of consent in many cases, as real-life laws that the Pacific are based on are more strict than Peter's proposal.

They are stricter usually for intercourse, not other sexual acts. 

And honoring a group of people based in their accomplishments and aid to society is different from imprisoning them based on their group.  One is positive and kind, the other is negative and condesending.  I support the limit for non-teenagers, but teenagers can make informed decisions.  You cannot say that an 18 yr old having sex witha 55 yr old is OK then turn around and say a 16 yr old having sex witha 22 yr old isn't. It's discrimination, plai and simple.

[jerusalemcar5]

As I understand it, the present age of consent across the Pacific Region is 18 (as a consequence of the adoption of Arizona's Statutory Code across the Region).

Under this, sex with anybody between 15 and 18 by an adult is punishable as a class 6 felony, or one year in prison. This does relax the restrictions in what I believe is a sensible manner.

Again, I do believe this relaxes the horrific sex regulations, but it exapnds criminality to sexual contacts which I find unacceptable.  Besides, it does not relax the statutory penalties enough.

[jerusalemcar5]

It in no way "exapnds criminality" (sic) - you are simply making this up. Everything that would be illegal under this bill is already illegal in one shape or form.

Oh please. Show me where it is illegal for a 16 yr old to consenually touch a 14 yr old in their "private areas".  Regardless of current statute, this is ridiculously oppresive.

[jerusalemcar5]

Title 13, Chapter 1405 and Chapter 1410 of the Arizona Revised Statutes which have been adopted as the Laws of the entire Pacific Region.

Section 3 Clause 7 would expand the sexual conduct regulations to 15 and 16 yr olds.  You would also increase the penalties.  You would raise statutory rape from a class 2 felony to a class 1 by allowing life imprisonment.  A first time class 2 offense currently warrants 5 yrs.  Some rules are laxed, some toughened, but all in all  this law is just as disgusting as the Arizona statutes.

[jerusalemcar5]

Aye to all except abolishment of organized religion.