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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
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E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« on: June 17, 2008, 12:59:11 PM »

Today's OH and MN polls seem to be a bit off. Party composition looks freaky, Obama winning Whites, but only getting 70% of African-Americans, no difference between men and women and Obama tied with McCain among young voters.

In MN, McCain is suddenly winning Independents by double-digits, 2 weeks ago Obama led by double-digits among them ... Tongue Something is very wrong here.
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
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Posts: 58,198
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 01:48:15 PM »

LOL

Josh buddy, in 2006 it was 40% Dem/37% GOP/23% independent. Hardly close to this poll.

Ok, now add on the national shift of toward the Democratic Party, which is close to 10%.

Also I do people alot of the bump is dude to Republcains not liking how the Republican party is being run, and the Indys switching to Democrats.

Just did the math:

If we adjust the PPP numbers to 2006 composition (40D, 37R, 23I), McCain beats Obama 45-43.

If we add a point in increased turnout to the Democrats (41D, 36R, 23I) because DEM Party ID increased in the last 2 years according to Rasmussen, Obama and McCain are tied at 44%.
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,198
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 01:58:40 PM »

Excuse me? A 10% shift nationally to the Democrats? What proof do you have of this? I know their registration has been increasing due to the primaries, but that figure is a joke. If registration is that lopsided in Ohio, its not a swing state. I want to see proof that its swung that wildly. Otherwise, its just wishful thinking on your part. 2006 was a terrible years for the GOP. Its not going to be that bad in 2008.

He`s not really wrong. Between 2004 and 2006 there was a 8% shift to the Democrats in turnout. Democrats went from 35% to 40%, Republicans slid from 40% to 37%. Itīs not out of question that Democrats will make up 40-42% in November, and Republicans 35-37%. That would be a 10% swing. The fact that OH is a toss-up right now is the fact that Obama is still getting 10% less Democrats than McCain is getting Republicans. If Democratic Party cohesion matches Strickland/Brown by November as well as Obama winning Independents by a similar margin than the 2 Democrats in 2006, McCain will get trashed. But probably that is not the case.
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