Abortion

[Vincent]

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I dont believe people should use the terms pro-life and pro-choice, seeing as reasonable people can hold differnt positions on abortion, these terms seem to me to exist in order to make the other side sound unreasonable.

Also, many "pro-choice"  activists say they support abortion rights because "a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body" yet at the same time believe it is okay to throw a woman in prison for drug use.
In other words they dont hold a consistant belief.

At the same time these people(pro-abortion rights) dont want to see more abortions happen so they are not pro-abortion. I believe the best term to use is PRO-ABORTION RIGHTS

To be fair a person who calls themselves "pro-life" may not support life in all circumstances(like for example the death penalty) so they should be called ANTI-ABORTION.

[Vincent]

Hello,
I followed this thread carefully a couple months ago but didnt really catch on when it became active again, so im sorry if im repeating any idea already stated here but i feel the urge to weigh in with my input here.                    

- I feel that until proven otherwise it should be assumed that abortion takes a human life, thus I can not justify having an abortion in almost all circumstances.

However I have a bit of a dilema caused by the fact that I am not sure that abortion kills.

To start with if abortion is murder it must be treated as such, abortion doctors must be charged with first degree murder, you cant have a seperate charge for abortion.
(i am pointing this out because the penalty for performing partial birth abortion in the recent ban was 2 years in prision. If a person really thinks its murder, how can they justify only 2 years.)

To convict someone of any other crime, there needs to be proof beyond a reasonible doubt that they commited the crime. Since I can not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that abortion is murder, I cant convict anyone of murder for performing one.

[Vincent]

It's 2004, abortion shouldn't be an issue.  

People need to stop judging other people.  

None of you are ever going to convince the other of your point of view.

I will probably never think abortion is murder.  Nor would I ever want it outlawed.  I wouldn't want someone I got pregnant having an abortion but it wouldn't be my choice.

I doubt anyone here really loses sleep at night thinking about all the fetuses being aborted...  especially not someone like Brambilla who obviously doesn't care about other human life after seeing how he has bashed gays up and down... now he somehow cares about saving fetuses...

BS, this issue has been so politicized it's pathetic...  Is anyone here going to tell me they lose any sleep at night because of abortion?  Lets be real.

True that the pro-lifer probably dosent loose sleep over abortion, yet at the same time I hear liberals talking about all of the people of the world living in hunger or dying of starvation, do they really loose sleep over that? They cant personally feel the pain of thoose going hungry, just like nobody can really be personaly hurt by the death of a fetus.