Update XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules."

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

Can I just say how perfect the picture and especially the description is here.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I made it back home to Tulsa about an hour ago.  It looks like my background check came back clean.  I got a packet in the mail with my credit and background check report and it was all clean.  So now, I wait on an official start date and hours.

Wait... credit check?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Some employers, especially those with the handling of money, do require credit checks, though, to make sure you are not delinquent on your own bills and are trustworthy to handle a corporations money.

^^^^^^^^
Not only this, but people with better credit tend to be, all other things equal, better employees. It's sort of like why The Gap drug tests. It's not even so much that they're afraid a high employee will do a poor job folding a sweater. They've crunched the numbers and it works out for them. President Obama mentioned the hazard of getting caught in a bad credit without a job and no job with bad credit endless loop in a state of the union a few years back, but nothing ever came of it.

I would refuse a job that required such a gross invasion of privacy.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Some employers, especially those with the handling of money, do require credit checks, though, to make sure you are not delinquent on your own bills and are trustworthy to handle a corporations money.

^^^^^^^^
Not only this, but people with better credit tend to be, all other things equal, better employees. It's sort of like why The Gap drug tests. It's not even so much that they're afraid a high employee will do a poor job folding a sweater. They've crunched the numbers and it works out for them. President Obama mentioned the hazard of getting caught in a bad credit without a job and no job with bad credit endless loop in a state of the union a few years back, but nothing ever came of it.

I would refuse a job that required such a gross invasion of privacy.

I hope you enjoy hypothetical unemployment. Ameican workers don't have the luxury of privacy. We're forced to submit to whatever violations employers think up in order to pay the bills.

Well, another reason to be glad to not be subject to American industrial relation laws.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I had a bacon cheeseburger.  It sure was good, too!

You do realise that this isn't a cheat day, it's a near week-long set back. You don't do the level of physical activity or restraint required for 'cheat days'.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Damn, cell phone plans seem expensive in the US. I pay about $30/month for unlimited calls and texts, 10 GBs of data at high speed and then unlimited at low speed. That doesn't include one of those scams to make you overpay for a phone though, that I had to get separately. But still.

And even $30 is rather high (here at least). But yeah, the US seems to be extremely expensive.

Nothing compared to here.

I have 2.5gb, unlimited texts and $700 worth of calls for $91 per month.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Is anyone truly shocked by the behavior of these SAE douches? I mean, I understand they're saying some pretty terrible sh[inks], and since it was captured on video, they're essentially representing the University ... but come on.

This is how ALL frat douches act. They may not say the n-word, but guaranteed they're douching it up being exclusionary against SOMEONE. THAT'S WHAT FRATERNITIES ARE ... exclusionary organizations. Certain people don't make it in ... could be money, could be looks, could be race, could be religion. They exclude based on SOMETHING in each and every case. Hell, historically black fraternities don't have a hell of a lot of white people, either. Do they say some sh[inks] behind closed doors that people would be "shocked" by?

Yeah, probably so.

So while these douches are particularly vile because of the sh[inks] they were saying ... which, for the record, I can't defend other than it being technically protected speech ... they are representing every single fraternity's essential, core behavior.

This shouldn't surprise anyone.

Hey.

I was in a fraternity, not everyone in them are racist, sexist, homophobic thugs.

Having said that, I know mine was unusual.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Hey.

I was in a fraternity, not everyone in them are racist, sexist, homophobic thugs.

Having said that, I know mine was unusual.

And maybe you were a perfect upstanding gentleman the entire time, as were all of your fraternity brothers. However, my guess is that you (and they) at some point did something that was reprehensible enough that you wouldn't want it broadcast on YouTube. It doesn't have to be saying n****r ... it's just the type of behavior that these organizations breed. If you ever talked about how nice the girls' at Kappa Kappa c**nta's tits were, the mainstream media would gasp in shock and call you horribly sexist. If anyone ever told an off-color joke, they'd be violating another one of our overly sensitive society's delicate sensibilities, and the university's president would condemn you and your family for three generations.

You'd want none of it broadcast. But at least you didn't say the n-word!

Again, not defending the assholes from OU's SAE chapter or saying your group did anything nearly that bad. But exclusionary groups spur insular thinking, and groups of young guys together are going to do inappropriate things ... this is the type of behavior that results.

I'm aware my experience is subjective, and not entirely typical at a small school with only three social fraternities, but there's a massive difference between excluding someone for demographic reasons as opposed to excluding someone because an organization has appraised that said person would be a detriment to them. Voting is a discriminatory process, as is hiring. Not everyone will be voted for, not everyone will be hired. As I'm going to guess, you probably would see a vast gap between not hiring someone because they're black and not hiring someone because you don't think they have the qualifications. The fraternities at my school (at least--I'm well aware that my experience is probably atypical, and acknowledge such) are hardly exclusionary on the basis of race, religion, sexuality, or class.

Gotta call bullsh[inks] on you. I don't say this as some sort of homo-touting prude, but I know damn well there wasn't a single frat within 2,000 miles of where I went to school that didn't have a pack of a-holes that got sh[inks]faced drunk every weekend, laughed at fags because it was the popular thing to do in a group of good ol' boys, acted like pretentious pricks around other on-campus groups, represented their universities in the worst way possible at sporting events, and probably committed their fair share of date rape. The surface-level qualifications mean nothing compared to the herd mentality of the clique.

For the record, I was an asshole in college, too.

Broad brush? Yeah, sure. I'll admit that I have a special dislike for fraternities and sororities. And I'll agree with you that there's a big difference between not hiring based on qualifications versus not hiring based on race / religion / orientation / etc. There's also a big difference between the insularity a business encourages versus whatever a fraternity or sorority could possibly encourage (outside of BS mottos and boilerplate values), and more often than not, their exclusionary tendencies boil down to the lowest common denominators.

Um... I think you would know better than to tar all with one brush.

I have never done ANY-THING that I (nor anyone else) would call reprehensible - sure I've done stupid things that I wouldn't want on YouTube, but they certainly were self-inflicted acts of stupidity that didn't involve belittling, attacking, assaulting or offending anyone. I'd urge against suggesting, even in passing, that I would or have.

As I said, this was not your standard frat, I was asked by 'those types' to join and refused, for those exact reasons. For the record, there was no binge-drinking, none of the stereotypical parties, no cruising around for women to take advantage of. It was multi-racial, multi-faith, lots of different socio-economic backgrounds, gay and straight etc etc.

Of the number of bids I received, it was the only one that seemed to fit my own sensibilities and views, ie not your typical frat.

As I said, mine was highly unusual, considering I saw a guy get punched out of a window from another house across the park. I didn't live in the house, but I spent my nights there playing poker, playstation and bags and the only drinking was an occasional game of beer-pong. The binge-drinking and total stupidity came from living in graduate apartments with other foreign students.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Guys, you're making me look bad.  I know you're just playing, but you're making me look bad.  Could you please stop?  You're making yourselves look bad in the process.

I wasn't aware you need assistance on that front.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Anyway, I am down to 12 days until my new career begins.  Even if the forum doesn't think it will last, doesn't mean I'm an automatic goner there.  Give me a chance here especially considering it is a completely different industry than what I'm used to.  Maybe change will be a good thing?

I did get some encouraging words from my uncle (Mom's brother) today saying he was proud of me for taking this job and putting an end to the unemployment.  He says just bringing in a paycheck, have more (and hopefully increasing) financial independence and being independent in a different city will be good for my psyche.  My uncle thinks this will be good for me.  I appreciated the words of encouragement.

Now THIS is why this stuff falls down. You're using pretty grandiose language here. It's a job, a relatively well-paid one with prospects if you perform well. Calling it a career would be intellectually dishonest.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Anyway, I am down to 12 days until my new career begins.  Even if the forum doesn't think it will last, doesn't mean I'm an automatic goner there.  Give me a chance here especially considering it is a completely different industry than what I'm used to.  Maybe change will be a good thing?

I did get some encouraging words from my uncle (Mom's brother) today saying he was proud of me for taking this job and putting an end to the unemployment.  He says just bringing in a paycheck, have more (and hopefully increasing) financial independence and being independent in a different city will be good for my psyche.  My uncle thinks this will be good for me.  I appreciated the words of encouragement.

Now THIS is why this stuff falls down. You're using pretty grandiose language here. It's a job, a relatively well-paid one with prospects if you perform well. Calling it a career would be intellectually dishonest.

Can't I be optimistic about turning this into a career? Or is optimism outlawed?

Framing is always important and you're also putting pressure on yourself.