Is it time to end Atlasia?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

While I assume the usual suspects will chime in, with the usual responses... I've been thinking a lot more about this than I should of late. Fundamentally, this game used to have a few "warlords" but it seems there are too many, whose focus is on "winning", usually to the detriment of this game. The problem being no one really knows what constitutes "winning".

I've said before that TNF is someone I respect, I don't agree with him on very much, but TNF and his aggressive views are not the issue here. I do genuinely think that what made Atlasia "work" for most of its history has been needing to build coalitions and work together. Now, this isn't some kind of idealistic view of the past, a LOT of people said really nasty things about each other and still got stuff done.

I do think the collapse of the centre as a political force has hurt the game. I know the left in particular will be pained by this, but to me, this is a big deal. You didn't have as many voters in the past, but you certainly had a more engaged political element. Is it worth having lots of voters in your party, if you can't fill satisfactorily fill the roles we have. 

I do think people need to seriously look at what they want out of this game and what they have to offer. I've never before been supportive of a reset, but now... I'm feeling it might be necessary. This is not something that has emerged over the past month, so those who think so, need to really examine the course we've been travelling... this has been a long time in the making.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

While I assume the usual suspects will chime in, with the usual responses... I've been thinking a lot more about this than I should of late. Fundamentally, this game used to have a few "warlords" but it seems there are too many, whose focus is on "winning", usually to the detriment of this game. The problem being no one really knows what constitutes "winning".

I've said before that TNF is someone I respect, I don't agree with him on very much, but TNF and his aggressive views are not the issue here. I do genuinely think that what made Atlasia "work" for most of its history has been needing to build coalitions and work together. Now, this isn't some kind of idealistic view of the past, a LOT of people said really nasty things about each other and still got stuff done.

I do think the collapse of the centre as a political force has hurt the game. I know the left in particular will be pained by this, but to me, this is a big deal. You didn't have as many voters in the past, but you certainly had a more engaged political element. Is it worth having lots of voters in your party, if you can't fill satisfactorily fill the roles we have. 

I do think people need to seriously look at what they want out of this game and what they have to offer. I've never before been supportive of a reset, but now... I'm feeling it might be necessary. This is not something that has emerged over the past month, so those who think so, need to really examine the course we've been travelling... this has been a long time in the making.

You contradict yourself. On the one hand you said this has been slowly building ing general, but then say "Atlasia has gotten along even whilst name calling occured" before. That is precisely my point, the loss of active players, especially on the right but not just on that side, has been building in numbers over time and a good number of people have often cited the tone. Absolving those who have caused this (it is not TNF alone by any means) ignores this very real reality and perhaps you have that luxury. You didn't have the luxury of "exit" PMs sent to you before people marched off to deregister.

It is also the easiest thing in the world to spot. Voluntary game, deregistration is immediate save for during elections. It doesn't take a lot to realize, that throwing a toxic environment into that could become catastrophic has little byl ittle players have said they have had enough.

It's not contradictory at all. They are not mutually exclusive, it's addressing two different issues, well one and one side-issues. The reality is, that in the past, people have been really bitchy and nasty to each other and still got stuff done, because it was necessary to work together to do it. People are certainly much more openly antagonistic than in the past and that's representative of the issue of the lack of a central core.

The other issue is that this situation has indeed been building for a long time, and yes, it does have something to do with the personalities being larger, more bombastic, less interested in compromise etc. But it's also about the fundamental issues about what this place is, what it's about and what is left to do?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

While I assume the usual suspects will chime in, with the usual responses... I've been thinking a lot more about this than I should of late. Fundamentally, this game used to have a few "warlords" but it seems there are too many, whose focus is on "winning", usually to the detriment of this game. The problem being no one really knows what constitutes "winning".

You mean these official "moderates" who end up voting for an inactive trot over a moderate laborite?

See what I mean?

I'm not here to defend anyone's vote, including my own. I'm merely highlighting what I think the issues are. It's a far more fundamental set of issues that some isolated cases.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I still find it funny that Mr. Holds Office for 5 years and then gets voted out but decides to run again five minutes later is calling me the problem with Atlasia. The problem is that a few old bogeys become the nexus for the entire game because of its sh**t structure, and then never retire. Did I stay in the Senate for too long? Probably so. I was there for two years. But at least I had the good sense to retire. North Carolina Yankee will be in the Senate in 2025 if nothing drastic is done to fix this game now. (And hopefully if that's the case he's the only one playing, quoting the Federalist Papers and debating himself on legislation to ban immigration or whatever loony ideas he has coming down the pipe)

I am calling you a problem because your actions have caused people to litteraly not want to play the game. I welcomed a respectful debate and discussion. I welcomed challengers and enjoyed my contested races where the campaigning was active and fun. How many opponents did you call fascist? I never did that to SPC, Seatown, Hashy, Maxwell or Hagrid. You bitch about me citing Federalist Papers and stuff, but that is because you hated having someone challenge you and your extremism. In spite of that I was willing to work with you on issues where we had common ground. I think that speaks volumes.

So you want to destroy Atlasia, to get rid of me (Yet they say I am nuts )? I took a stept back from leading parties after dissolution. I watched chairmen come and ago. I considered running once because the direction looked dire after rimjob, but Maxwell and Tmth did a good job and I decided not to. Tmth resigned and no one stepped forward to take the position except for Devin. I didn't exactly have much choice.

I was twice defeated for PPT and I voluntary left the position another time, supporting Snowguy for it instead (which is probably why he hated me for a year or so after that ). I didn't run when bgwah retired and instead let Marokai have it since he did well the first time. He went inactive and few were interested. In the position, I was reluctant to step aside with such a large queue and twice decided agaisnt retiring because of that reason and as I said before, it is a thankless task and most were happy to not have to deal with it. Then you came along and I was told "I had to keep running lest you won". In hindsight, I should have ignored the queue size and let Franzl have it in November 2012. Some people approached me about being Speaker this time, I declined.

Respectfully Yankee, there is much, much more to those of us who feel this game has either run its course, or needs a significant re-direction.

You know the amount of time and effort I have put into this game, and I wouldn't do it, unless it was something I saw as worthwhile. We need a serious debate that puts personal views/goals/issues to one side. We all came here for one reason or another, it doesn't hurt to re-asses that.

None of us own this game, it doesn't matter if you've been here 10 years or 10 days. But again, this isn't and SHOULDN'T be about any individual or what they want. It should be what all of us can agree is the best and correct path forward.

Again - what has hurt this game is NOT people like TNF being melodramatic. I can trace when this game started to falter, it's a lot further back than that.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Here's a question for you now. How many posters do you think remember the Reich Protection Party? And how many of those do you think care about it?

You and your friends despised the Regional Protection Party and those who composed it from the minute it was created. You opposed its purpose, detested its existance, treated its members with contempt and longed for the end of the Atlasia that it had brought into being.

You know nothing of the community we built, or the vision for future that we had shared collectively of an Atlasia without bitterness and hatefulness of people who cannot seem to help themselves.

I think the vast majority share that vision without even realizing it. The notion of organized right continues inspite of your efforts to beat it into the ground and far more people want to build this game up rather than destroy it. The RPP's legacy is thus alive and well compared to the dismisiveness and apetite for destruction that has defined the bulk of your contributions to this game over the time that I have been here.

I've got no idea what the RPP was, other than the default home for mainstream conservatives. That's all it ever seemed to be to me.