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Verily
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E: 1.81, S: -6.78

« on: November 18, 2007, 11:26:03 AM »
« edited: November 18, 2007, 11:28:08 AM by Verily »

1. Get drafted Never
2. Consume Alcoholic Beverages 18
3. Consume energy drinks (such as red bull) Any
4. Smoke Tobacco 18
5. Smoke Marijuana 18
6. Own a firearm Never (limited exceptions for handguns only, then 18)
7. Purchase pornography Any
8. Have sex with a 23 year old Any in the sense that the younger person will not be punished. 16 for the older person.
9. Get a drivers license 18
10. Gamble 18
11. Get a job 14 with restrictions until 16, Any for self-employment
12. Watch a rated R movie Any
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Verily
Cuivienen
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Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 02:14:06 PM »

Why do you support gun control? You support freedom in so many other areas...

Because guns are a direct source of violence. Moreover, there is no reason to own a gun except to commit an act of violence (or else to strut, which doesn't count as a reason in my opinion). The self-defense argument falls apart in the face of strong evidence that, for example, home break-ins result in injury or death for the homeowner far more often if the homeowner wields a gun than if not.

Yes, many who have guns are involved in criminal activity anyway. Much of this criminal activity is drug-related, and I think that legalizing recreational drugs would reduce such criminality. Of the rest, at least making guns illegal makes them much more expensive on the black market and thus much more difficult for either criminal individuals or gangs to acquire.

As a general rule, I am in favor of freedoms that benefit society as a whole. Most freedoms do benefit society as a whole. Guns do not.
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Verily
Cuivienen
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Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 02:32:09 PM »

Gun control is a step towards despotism. Hitler favored gun control.

The fact that Hitler supported one position or another is irrelevant. If gun control is a step towards despotism, I wonder where the fascist regimes of Canada and Britain have gone off to and left their countries to the unruly masses.

In any case, Hitler favored the state distribution and control of gun sales while bestowing guns to his own most ardent supporters. He did not favor the banning of guns.
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Verily
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Posts: 16,663


Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 03:04:19 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2007, 03:07:08 PM by Verily »

If gun control is a step towards despotism, I wonder where the fascist regimes of Canada and Britain have gone off to and left their countries to the unruly masses.

Except you can buy just about any gun in Canada that you can in the US. Haven't you seen Bowling for Columbine?

True, yet the Canadian system is ironically far closer to the Nazi system than the one I am suggesting.

Given the current US government I don't trust the state. In a country that elections the like of the bushes, Reagan and next year HRC I don't feel safe with any gun control.

The notion of Straha overthrowing the government is amusing but not worth considering when discussing gun control. Public militias worked in the 18th century; they don't work now. Even if democracy disappears, you're not going to succeed in defeating its successor; after all, they'd only do away with the trappings of democracy upon being completely certain that they could defeat rebels.
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