Abortion

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The fact that she was able to make that choice without people such as yourself preventing her from doing so shows that liberty is alive and well in this country. History has always been on the side of liberty, from winning independence to freeing the slaves and ever onward. We have granted women the preliminaries of freedom by giving them a vote, let us confirm our determination by allowing freedom and not biology to be the ultimate law of this nation.

If a majority of women choose abortion for personal reasons, what is the shame? Would you prefer those children to go into miserable homes? Would you prefer women to suffer under a cloud of misery until the end of their days? I am aware that people like you invoke the argument that people shouldn't have sex, but it happens. We must not make non sequitur decisions because of a flawed concept of reality exulting the tenability of abstinence. I am happy to hear that you have a new baby that is loved. But should your wife have decided otherwise, and none of us, I think, can understand the depths of desperation women sometimes face, it is not for you, or me, or the federal government to say differently. When our progeny are loved, wanted, and provided for, that is when we have a humane society.

Amen!

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It really doesn't matter if you feel it should be illegal or not, because the courts will rule in favor of it every time. The 4th Amendment is what will allow abortions to continue, and the fact that we don't begin counting life UNTIL THE DAY SOMEONE IS BORN (birth certificate, 18/21 laws) means that, in the eyes of the law, that's when life begins.

You can continue with your emotional arguments all you'd like, but they won't hold up in court.

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There are THREE MILLION abortions a year in the United States.  Once again, THAT'S THREE MILLION!  Not four, or ten or even a thousand.  It is not rare, it is RAMPANT.

Get your head out of your ass and get the facts straight:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/03facts/pregbirths.htm



Even a bigger decline going into 2000...

I don't care what your position is, but don't !@#$ with the facts to increase the emotion to your argument. 857,457 looks a lot different than 3 million to me.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/surv_abort00.htm

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Hey Mr. Maryland Democrat.  I will put my head up my ass if I want to and I don't think your comment was appropriate for this forum.  Why don't you take you snide, liberal crap to democraticunderground.com or deanforamerica.com if you want post comments like that and talk about my ass.  So I exaggerated a little.   It was a good faith exaggeration.  Were talking in the millions here.  EXCUSE ME, let me set the record straight based on the facts that you provided.  Only 857,457 abortions took place in a year.  I guess that number does look different to you but not to the 857,457 babies who were "aborted."  I am sure the next time I check this forum, you will have posted some other stat that will indicate that 99% of all aborted babies were going to be born without brains or have their hearts growing on their kneecaps.  

In keeping with the facts, the 1999 total pregnancy count includes about 3.96 million live births, 1.31 million induced abortions.  Thats great, in the USA, 1/3 of all pregnancies end in abortion.

You know, I can accept the fact that I got the facts wrong.  But, "your head out of my ass" set me off on this rant.

There are THREE MILLION abortions a year in the United States.  Once again, THAT'S THREE MILLION!  Not four, or ten or even a thousand.  It is not rare, it is RAMPANT.

Get your head out of your ass and get the facts straight:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/03facts/pregbirths.htm



Even a bigger decline going into 2000...

I don't care what your position is, but don't !@#$ with the facts to increase the emotion to your argument. 857,457 looks a lot different than 3 million to me.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/surv_abort00.htm

Whatever your arguing, whether it be abortion, the death penalty, social security or Iraq, making up statistics will get you nowhere. You lose a lot of credibility when you do that.

And you exaggerated "a little?"  My friend, you reinforced your original notion that 3 million abortions occur each year with plenty of vigor, as if you knew it to be true.

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Slavery was also legal, my friend. That doesn't mean it's right.

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Explain to me how they are emotional- they're not. I'm simply stating facts. Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being. A person. Therefore, abortion is wrong.

You really didn't answer anything I said. The law does not recognize life before a person is born. In the first trimester, a fetus cannot live on its own, it is the mother that determines its fate. Since we have laws that recognize an individual's legality for something at 18 and 21 (18 years from the day we were born) then life begins at birth. Thus, the murder argument doesn't work in court. A woman has a right to privacy (be secure) within her own person. Legal precedent has been set, it's case law.

Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being is your opinion, not a fact. A very strong opinion, of course, but not a fact.

And if you want to call me puerile, spell it right. I'd much rather get correct facts any day of the week.

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That's all I ask. It will benefit you in the long run when you debate with others, trust me.

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9th month fetuses aren't an issue Dunn, since abortions aren't allowed that late in the third trimester. Well, the third trimester in general, I believe.