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Chuck Hagel 08
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« on: May 31, 2008, 10:20:24 AM »

How long will it take for Huckabee to realize that socially liberal and economically conservative is not a completely description of libertarianism?

Oversimplified for sure, but that's basically it. I find the two biggest issues among libertarians to be promoting home schooling and gun rights.

I agree with BrandonH here. The lunacy of descibing libertarianism is fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is what leads "libertarian" magazines like Reason to promote Giuliani and diss Paul, even though it is clear that the latter is far more libertarian than the former. Social liberalism is many times just as invasive of personal liberties as social conservatism is. To name a few examples:

1. Social conservatives want to infringe on the personal liberties of some women by denying them an abortion. Social liberals want to infringe on the personal liberties of everyone by forcing taxpayers to pay for her abortion.
2. Social conservatives want to infringe on the personal liberties of drug users by making them illegal. Social liberals want to infringe on the personal liberties of everyone by forcing taxpayers to pay for needle exchange.

Also, I can't speak for other libertarians, but my two big issues are monetary policy and gun rights.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 11:05:12 AM »

How long will it take for Huckabee to realize that socially liberal and economically conservative is not a completely description of libertarianism?

Oversimplified for sure, but that's basically it. I find the two biggest issues among libertarians to be promoting home schooling and gun rights.

I agree with BrandonH here. The lunacy of descibing libertarianism is fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is what leads "libertarian" magazines like Reason to promote Giuliani and diss Paul, even though it is clear that the latter is far more libertarian than the former. Social liberalism is many times just as invasive of personal liberties as social conservatism is.

I personally am a libertarian and on most social issues I'd call myself mildly conservative, although I understand that most of my views on social issues should not become federally mandated, it's more just a matter of my personal opinion that should be formed person to person instead of something I want the government to enforce.

I agree that I'd also call myself culturally conservative, except for the whole 'athiest' thing.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 03:45:24 PM »

and prostitution.  We shorten it (and make it sound better) by saying we're against the punishment of victimless crimes.

Except that prostitution isn't a victimless crime.  However, we should stop making being a victim (i.e., a prostitute) a crime.  Life without parole for being a pimp and a month (first offense) for being a john sounds about right.

How is the prostitute a victim? She is voluntarily selling her body for money, as she views the money as being more valuable than her body.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 03:47:42 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2008, 03:50:47 PM by South Park Conservative »

Libertarianism just strikes me as a very self-centered and cruel ideology. Basically it advocates for abandoning others and social darwinism (and don't tell me the markets would somehow magically right things in the world.)

Explain how it is self-centered for me not to want to impose my will on anybody else? In fact, it would seem that libertarianism is the humblest ideology, since it requires that all actions be voluntary. Social darwinism wouldn't happen, since so long as there is a free market, there will not be shortages, and thus might makes right could not happen.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 03:52:33 PM »

I think that one of the most under reported story is that the Republican electorate had a chance to elect someone who was basically a social conservative, who was only a social conservative, and rejected him.

Me might be seeing the GOP moving toward a more libertarian position.

However, the Republican electorate had a chance to elect someone who was basically a neocon, who was only a neocon, and selected him.

I wouldn't count on the GOP becoming libertarian anytime soon. However, I will still be supporting Paulite Republicans for federal office, including Peter James and B.J. Lawson.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 07:47:14 PM »

and prostitution.  We shorten it (and make it sound better) by saying we're against the punishment of victimless crimes.

Except that prostitution isn't a victimless crime.  However, we should stop making being a victim (i.e., a prostitute) a crime.  Life without parole for being a pimp and a month (first offense) for being a john sounds about right.

How is the prostitute a victim? She is voluntarily selling her body for money, as she views the money as being more valuable than her body.

Oh, yes, the thousands of young women every year who have been subject to human trafficking just love to sell their bodies ever so much.

When prostitution is illegal, she can't call the police when she is violated, for obvious reasons, When prostititon is legal, she can.
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