Regarding the current secession movement

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I echo the words of Governor Winfield.

One of the first consequences will be the loss of all federal spending in said states.  Since both Florida and Georgia receive significantly more in federal spending than their citizens pay in taxes, they will have an immediate, large budget deficit that represents a sizable chunk of each state's economy to deal with.

Tax collections from citizens in those states should continue and said money should be distributed to other states in the southeast.

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I'd also suggest that any candidates for office or those who would like to participate in Atlasian elections move to states that are loyal to the union.

If these secessionist tactics continue, all residents of said states will be stripped of their Atlasian citizenry and will not be protected under the Atlasian constitution.

I will also push the senate to enact trade embargos and blockades that stops any and all economic activity leaving or going into said states.

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I would like to know what anyone running for office in Atlasia plans to do to make this game more interesting? It's boring. Give us a crisis that's not economic. Give us something new and fun. That's what I want.

It's not up to us to create crises.  That is up to the GM.  Or to the rogues that want to commit the citizens of their state to starvation and isolation from the rest of the world by declaring "independence".

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!!!!!

You are wise to be against ostriches, Mr. Mom.  They're like a mean cat.  If they're mad they don't just hiss and scratch.  They chase you.  And then bite you.  F**king ostriches.

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Great job, tough guys. We just lost one of the coolest Atlasians ever

I do hope that the SoFE will take note of what persons will be ineligible to vote in next weekend's election, having renounced Atlasian citizenship.

Did you know?

Such tough guy statements would be effective if Mechaman gave a damn?

Because, *shocker* oh sh*t he doesn't.

Mecha, I don't think Fritz's statement was intended to be personal at all. You quite obviously have to be a citizen to vote, no?

And I am just affirming that I am not afraid of losing the right to vote to make a political statement.
So yes, this isn't personal.  IT'S POLITICAL.

Are you kidding me?  People renounce their citizenship by joining a secessionist movement and then get all butthurt because they cannot participate in Atlasian elections?  Seriously?

Get over it.  If you join a secessionist movement, you lost your right to vote and hold office in Atlasia.  That is the choice you made/make when you renounce your citizenship.  If you don't like that, then don't join the secessionist movement and become a traitor to Atlasia.

Those that have been given the chance to return to Atlasia but refuse to should be considered traitors and if caught, tried and convicted for their high crime against the nation of Atlasia.

I'd highly recommend other avenues for trying to make the game more interesting:  Like ones that don't disqualify your ability to participate in the game for significant periods of time.

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I will gladly serve as a soldier in either side's army. Anybody recruiting?

Oh, you know I am

Oh goody! What side are you on again?

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The fun part is when the rebels win and get to vote in elections for a country they don't even want to be a part of.

This is what's so ridiculous about it all.

If these people are allowed to vote in the elections, I'm done with this joke of a game.  It's not even a little bit realistic anymore.. now it's just "tee hee.. there are no rules!  We just make sh**t up and "rebel" and vote anyway!"

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Nevermind, I won't have to quit the game.  Thanks Bgwah for digging this up:


Section 3: Acts of Treason
The following acts are hereby declared Acts of Treason:
1. Rebellion, defined as the use of military forces to overthrow the Federal or any Regional government of Atlasia.
2. Aiding of a rebellion, defined as the fully knowing and intentional direction of funds, military aid, or strategic advice to a person or group seeking to engage in rebellion.
3. Terrorism, defined as the unlawful or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating civilians and/or the federal and/or regional governments of Atlasia.
4. Destruction of a Voting Booth, defined as deleting the thread in which a voting booth, or absentee voting booth, for an active election is contained.
Section 4: Punishment of Acts of Treason
Sentencing of Acts of Treason shall be by the presiding Justice; He may use any combination of the following as punishment, depending upon the severity of the offense:
1. Up to a lifetime ban from voting in any Atlasian elections.
2. Up to a lifetime ban from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia.

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Jesus F**king Christ...

You know what? I feel really bad right now. First, I made a little joke and in next second, I hear my friend calling my other friends "traitors", I hear about taking away right to vote. And for what? For something that had no practical meaning at all? For what, that did not threaten Atlasia even for a second?

Now, mark my words, if anyone is going to be punished because of this bulls**t, it should be me and I'd demand, in this case, to be punished for "treason" as well. Because I'm just sick of this crap.

Come down, people.

As far as I'm concerned, this should end up like the Civil War, with a huge fight along the border, some mass burnings, etc. Then at the end, Atlasia wins and people have to swear a loyalty oath to get back in and be citizens.

And then northern businessmen get free access to southern markets where they can gouge people down there and screw them over and force them into poverty for a century !

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Nevermind, I won't have to quit the game.  Thanks Bgwah for digging this up:


Section 3: Acts of Treason
The following acts are hereby declared Acts of Treason:
1. Rebellion, defined as the use of military forces to overthrow the Federal or any Regional government of Atlasia.
2. Aiding of a rebellion, defined as the fully knowing and intentional direction of funds, military aid, or strategic advice to a person or group seeking to engage in rebellion.
3. Terrorism, defined as the unlawful or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating civilians and/or the federal and/or regional governments of Atlasia.
4. Destruction of a Voting Booth, defined as deleting the thread in which a voting booth, or absentee voting booth, for an active election is contained.
Section 4: Punishment of Acts of Treason
Sentencing of Acts of Treason shall be by the presiding Justice; He may use any combination of the following as punishment, depending upon the severity of the offense:
1. Up to a lifetime ban from voting in any Atlasian elections.
2. Up to a lifetime ban from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia.

and you can see from this definition that a secession, if unaccompanied by military action, is not treasonous.

It's been made quite clear that they are "ready to fight" and have been bolstering the Georgia national guard and are calling for new militia members and posting them at their borders.

It is quite clear that they have no right to secede from the union as they are a part of Atlasia.  In addition, they have, by default, taken federally owned lands within the state of Georgia along with their secession and are prepared to use their militia to defend that secession.  To me that clearly falls into the confines of clause 1.

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There were no threats of violent rebellion among the secessionists that I can see made anytime before this thread was created and the Vice President and the Senator began making threats to retaliate against the seceding states. The only threat of violent rebellion that night was made by Snowstalker's national worker's revolution. 

A peaceful, uneventful, temporary period of "secession" could have been achieved through a more conciliatory approach.

Read BK's post.  Seceding is considered treason outright.  The CCJA was amended a few years ago to include secession without use of military forces.