Lucifer vs. Social Revolutionary Jesus

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Why are so many of you comfortable with the concept of condemning a soul to an eternity of suffering because the decisions it makes in a fleeting physical existence, do not meet the ideals of a god that has endless and infinite consciousness? How callous.

No 'crime' or 'sin' or any other masochism is worthy of the infinite punishment of an infinite consciousness if that is what our soul is. None. Given that 8 seconds or 80 years or 8 million years as fractions of infinity are effectively of the same value (i.e, they are nothing), it is an eternal condemnation of a consciousness that has had no time in which to think, develop or grow with respect to itself, including reaching the 'right conclusions' as to what is good and what is just. God has has an eternity. It’s a punishment of the un-godlike for not possessing the capabilities of a god.

I don't believe in hell.  I believe God did condemn us to death but then gave laws to live by to be Godly.  He tried all kinds of things to make it work...commandments, code of law, kings...nothing worked.  God relented and sent Christ to take care of it once and for ALL.  God saved us with the gift of grace.  It washed away every sin.  I believe every human is judged for their actions but their place is still in heaven whether we deserve it or not by our standards.

That is the issue here... You ask how a genocidal mass murderer can be in heaven... God tried to weed those people out...hence the law...but it makes no difference because everybody broke the law at some point and fell short.  Whether you broke the law once or a million times or a minor law or a major one...you couldn't get to heaven.  The only way to make it work was to save everybody.  

Afleitch...God by its very nature cannot exist in the presence of sin.  It's not a matter of God being a prick...it's literally that if we are in his presence with sin...we will be instantly destroyed.  God hates that.  God spent a long time devising ways to get us closer.  In the end God had to send himself in human form to be innocently slaughtered so he could withstand our presence.  But if we reject God, a sin, and something we can still do since we have free will, we are destroyed in his presence.  But I believe this must be outright acknowledgement of and rejection of God...not just disbelieving because a lack if evidence.


No hell...just heaven or death.

Of course I don't know how much I believe it...but to me its a more consistent and more likely story than the fire and bromstoners' views.

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afleitch is one of those people who would like Hell better. There's a lot of those.

What does that even mean?

Knowing you, you're always going on about how terrible Christianity and its God is, and Heaven is spending eternity with Him. Since Hell is, in this context, eternity without Him, it would be preferable to you.

You don't know me.

But we know what your beliefs are.  Quite clearly.  But really I think you feel wronged by God and you're working through the process of grief in reverse since this is an expulsion rather than a loss...and right now you're working through anger while wading into denial.

Once complete you will have officially rejected God. 

So in my outline of beliefs above, you would be one of the few who will die the second death after judgment and cease to exist.

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afleitch is one of those people who would like Hell better. There's a lot of those.

What does that even mean?

Knowing you, you're always going on about how terrible Christianity and its God is, and Heaven is spending eternity with Him. Since Hell is, in this context, eternity without Him, it would be preferable to you.

You don't know me.

But we know what your beliefs are.  Quite clearly.  But really I think you feel wronged by God and you're working through the process of grief in reverse since this is an expulsion rather than a loss...and right now you're working through anger while wading into denial.

Once complete you will have officially rejected God. 

So in my outline of beliefs above, you would be one of the few who will die the second death after judgment and cease to exist.

Wronged by god? Grief? No. I just stopped believing in god five years ago and I only believed in god because I was essentially taught to. Enough of this psychobabble.

Yeah clearly it was a decision made cool and rationally which is why you turn into a giant angry mountain troll whenever someone shares their own religious beliefs on this forum.

Basically you've built strawman God and you live to flog him with your angry stick to 'prove' how he's not real or certainly not worth worshipping.  Like a child punishing his parents for perceived injustices you flog God for the warped beliefs of people who claim to follow him.  If you cant take away their belief, you can at least attack and accuse their God.  Poison the well.

And you carry an air of smugness about it that is offensive.

I bet you get real mad and wanna infract me or lock this.  Dat anger phase.

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No. Your attempt at lightheartedly trolling me has made me smile though.

No trolling.  I really think your thoughts on religion are terrible.  Soon enough you won't care enough about religion to argue anymore...further proving my point.  But right now you're trolling me with passive aggressive short responses.