2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[wbrocks67]

Does that help Williamson at all?

I'm sure there are plenty of "anybody but Biden" protest votes. If she's still on the ballot come primary season, it's very likely people will vote for her by default.

I wonder if she will be. Her campaign has been running on fumes for a while now, I'd be surprised if she even makes it to the primaries at this point.

[wbrocks67]

Williamson only brought in $825K last quarter, and she spent more than that. Not sure how much longer she can keep this grift going

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1713955133132829075

[wbrocks67]

Honestly, it's quite possible that the third party candidates being such kooks may work in Biden's favor. Between Stein, West, and RFK, there is not a single serious candidate here.

[wbrocks67]

Kennedy needs 83K signatures for NC

https://twitter.com/AdamBassOfMass/status/1742380336175009984

[wbrocks67]

Regardless of how you feel about RFK Jr. - if someone is averaging 15% in polls, he/she should be on the ballot in all 50 states. If RFK Jr misses any major state, then I think the rules need to change

LMAO, no. polling should not determine ballot access, that's blasphemous.

[wbrocks67]

RFK Jr's "campaign" is pretty much proving what all of us have been saying. It's not a serious campaign operation.

[wbrocks67]

RFK Jr's "campaign" is pretty much proving what all of us have been saying. It's not a serious campaign operation.

Like, some of the # of signatures to get on as an Indy are much higher in some states than others, but if you had a serious ground organization, none of them would be out of reach. The fact that he's already too lazy to try to do that and is now trying to jump on anyone - Reform Party now it seems - just again shows this guy is not serious and his campaign should not be taken seriously.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/brittanyagibson/status/1752756994711212197?s=20

[wbrocks67]

Will RFK even get on the ballot for the Libertarian primary in some states? NC for example already has its Lib ballot set and RFK is not included

[wbrocks67]

RFK's candidacy also loses a lot of its 'luster' going from an Independent line to a Libertarian line, for those that are inclined to vote 3rd party.

[wbrocks67]

Looks like RFK will not be getting Libertarian nomination, which would raise his threshold in most states to get on the ballot as an Indy.

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1758282940059176965?s=20

[wbrocks67]

Cornel West raised $140k in January, spent $124k. Only has $103k COH

https://x.com/CATargetBot0001/status/1760155060254941190?s=20

RFK raised $2.7M, spent $3.3M. Has $4.8M COH

https://twitter.com/CATargetBot0001/status/1760011630128267395

These are not serious campaigns.

[wbrocks67]

Cornel West raised $140k in January, spent $124k. Only has $103k COH

https://x.com/CATargetBot0001/status/1760155060254941190?s=20

RFK raised $2.7M, spent $3.3M. Has $4.8M COH

https://twitter.com/CATargetBot0001/status/1760011630128267395

These are not serious campaigns.

You grouping those two together when they're clearly wildly different categorically is more the problem here. Those numbers basically indicate that the Cornel West campaign essentially doesn't exist, which basically everyone here knows but the press needs to catch up to. The RFK Jr campaign may be spendthrift and wasteful, but it exists and those numbers show it.

Yes, it exists, but RFK is also way more high profile than West. RFK has been the *the* go to for all of the third party talk this cycle. The fact that he only raised $2.7M last month, somehow spent *more* than that while simultatenously doing pretty much nothing (and doing nothing to really get ballot access either) shows that his campaign is also not to be taken seriously. He's hemorrhaging money and he's barely running a campaign!

[wbrocks67]

Just remember, folks, typically you need about 1.5 times the amount of signatures required since a lot of them do get disqualified.

Not just that - but are they going off of the threshold needed for an Independent candidate or a Libertarian candidate, or RFK's new "We the people" party or whatever? He doesn't even seem to have a plan on how he's running in each state

[wbrocks67]

So RFK's PAC has essentially gone silent now - are the signatures that the PAC got now unable to be used? If that's the case, it sounds dubious that he's going to be on a lot of these ballots

https://twitter.com/rudnicknoah/status/1768247843876188169?s=20

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/AlliNovelo/status/1772233061926609285

[wbrocks67]

Wild that RFK is turning into another Q-Anon type conspiracy orator. Maybe his team should've just done their due diligence? But nah, of course somehow its the White House's fault that he didn't do his research on correct signature gathering in the state.

[wbrocks67]

Dems are obsessed with stopping 3rd parties which is why less people buy their "democracy" stuff. I've never seen any other political party feel entitled to people's votes.

Their obsessed with not letting Trump get elected (which third parties will do) so our democracy doesn't have the possibility of ending. Such terrible people!

[wbrocks67]

Dems are obsessed with stopping 3rd parties which is why less people buy their "democracy" stuff. I've never seen any other political party feel entitled to people's votes.

Their obsessed with not letting Trump get elected (which third parties will do) so our democracy doesn't have the possibility of ending. Such terrible people!

Then Biden should be a better candidate that appeals to more people with a better message that makes more people want to vote for him.

But no, the easy route is to just bar people from the ballot.

Pretty sure he objectively is. Sorry if you can't see that!

[wbrocks67]

But yes, those third parties are definitely appealing to more voters!

https://twitter.com/kaysteiger/status/1773371116637110278

[wbrocks67]

Dems are obsessed with stopping 3rd parties which is why less people buy their "democracy" stuff. I've never seen any other political party feel entitled to people's votes.

Their obsessed with not letting Trump get elected (which third parties will do) so our democracy doesn't have the possibility of ending. Such terrible people!

Then Biden should be a better candidate that appeals to more people with a better message that makes more people want to vote for him.

But no, the easy route is to just bar people from the ballot.

Pretty sure he objectively is. Sorry if you can't see that!

"Biden is a good candidate who appeals to voters and therefore Democrats are right to expend energy blocking other candidates from appearing on the ballot" just is not a position that makes sense if Democrats want to be the party of protecting democracy. If they were secure in Biden's electability, they wouldn't worry about third party ballot access.

What does this even mean? No one can ever be secure in anyone's position. We literally won't know until Election Day. Why would anyone assume anyone is going to win, especially after 2016? What we *do* know is that third parties siphon off votes from candidates who *can* win versus third party candidates who *do not* have a chance at winning. Why is this so hard? I seriously don't understand how people can be like this when the danger of Trump is looming right over our heads.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1778048834117009445

[wbrocks67]

RFK Jr. says he has ruled out Libertarian run for president

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/robert-kennedy-jr-ruled-libertarian-run-president/story?id=109208097

In which RFK makes it clear that he was willing to simply use the Libertarians just to get on the ballot, even though he's not an actual Libertarian or prescribes to their value set.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/NicoleShanahan/status/1780324062075736161

[wbrocks67]

VP still MIA

https://twitter.com/MerylKornfield/status/1784315639953289443