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« on: December 11, 2014, 10:42:08 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 10:45:57 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

The Republicans won the election because Democrats didn't stand for things enough. If Obama signs this, it won't even matter who wins the elections any more, unless we can get President Sanders.

In other news of Democrats sucking hard, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that an employer can choose to not pay you for half an hour of mandatory security screening a day.

No, the Republicans won because the stopped nominating nut bag tea party candidates who wanted to shut down the government over every minor slight. Which is exactly what you want Dems to start doing so they can lose even harder.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 11:01:20 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

The Republicans won the election because Democrats didn't stand for things enough. If Obama signs this, it won't even matter who wins the elections any more, unless we can get President Sanders.

In other news of Democrats sucking hard, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that an employer can choose to not pay you for half an hour of mandatory security screening a day.

No, the Republicans won because the stopped nominating nut bag tea party candidates who wanted to shut down the government over every minor slight. Which is exactly what you want Dems to start doing so they can lose even harder.

LOL, the Republicans took a hard-line a year ago, and then did well in the last elections. Are you going to claim to me that Ernst and Tillis are some sort of moderates?

The Republicans have always taken a hard line. Tillis barely won in a state that seems to relish one-term Senators. Ernst was up against perhaps one of the worst candidates in history.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 11:35:22 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

Obama also won an election with a bigger mandate than they did, but he didn't get to implement his full agenda because there was divided government. And there is still divided government. Meaning neither side should get everything they want.

Because 2012, like 2010, returned divided results at different levels of government. 2014 did not. Had O been at the top of the ticket he probably would have been wiped out too. We are not a majority right now.

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Haven't progressives got the death of Keystone? Executive action on immigration? Reform of police militarization? A presidential opinion on net neutrality? All since the election. They may not have gotten anything from this but time, but to say Obama hasn't given them anything recently would be wrong. And 67 Republicans didn't vote against their leadership on this because it was too conservative... this bill is to the left of where the median House Republican would be, probably.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 12:13:40 AM »

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That just means that the parties themselves will become beholden to the wealthy, not just candidates reliant on third party spending. But I agree that it merely makes an already corrupt system even more corrupt.

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Except rating agencies are subject to the same moral hazards as they were before the crisis, and it was derivatives regulation that was supposed to make it okay. Now even that meager regulation is being stripped away, thanks no doubt to banking interests of a banking system bailed out by the taxpayer. Derivatives, derivatives ratings, and the repeal of Glass Steagall all contributed to the crisis. No one of them was the smoking gun, but together they added up to years of government endorsement of financialization- through minor, seemingly harmless de regulations just like this one, plus banking sector creativity. The overall trend of financialization is what created the crisis, as well as a series of asset price bubbles that continues to this day. These asset price bubbles of course, benefit the already wealthy asset owners over anyone with little property.

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It's not clear how it will play out yet. The Drug Policy Alliance says it's unclear what the implications are.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 09:16:10 AM »

Why do people think prohibiting politicians and parties from taking campaign donations will have any more success than prohibiting people from drinking alcohol or taking drugs?  It might not be nice to admit it, but money is the mother's milk of politics.

True, the ideal solution is a proper level of public funding for campaigns. And I don't see how having a 75 year old socialist lose by a 1984 style landslide would fix anything.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 12:03:59 AM »

What's the rationale for voting aye on cloture and nay on the final bill? Just to be able to say they voted against it?
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 02:00:29 AM »

Oh god, now even Brian Schatz isn't far left enough Roll Eyes
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