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Question: (Dems).. Do you think '20 Dem Ticket should include...
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At least 1 minority
 
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At least 1 female
 
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At least 1 minority & 1 female (or a minority female)
 
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Any combo is fine (including 2 white males)
 
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Beet
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« on: February 28, 2018, 03:34:17 AM »

There should be at least one woman on the ticket, but only if the woman is the best person for the position. Given the female candidate talent out there, I'm virtually certain that will be the case.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 09:59:04 PM »

There should be at least one woman on the ticket, but only if the woman is the best person for the position. Given the female candidate talent out there, I'm virtually certain that will be the case.

I wish we had a competent woman running in 2016. Unfortunately Hillary's machine scared away most of the competition. Fortunately the field is open now.

Hillary never prevented anyone from running. If Martin O'Malley could run, if Sanders could run, so could any other of them. Stop trying to blame everything on Hillary. Hillary is awesome.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 10:50:09 PM »

After the 2008 election a chorus of Hillary Clinton critics suggested African Americans hated her. I pointed out again and again that if you looked at the polls, she was very popular with black Americans. It wasn't that they disliked Hillary; they just liked Obama more. But now people, like amnesiacs with no memory of history, are making the same mistake. Bernie has 73 percent favorables with black voters; he is liked. His civil rights work is appreciated. They just liked Hillary Clinton more.

As far as the black electorate, I really feel they should diversify and stop giving the Democrats 90 percent of their vote. No matter how well intentioned the Democrats, that kind of bloc voting almost guarantees an attitude of being taken for granted. In some ways black voters had more leverage in 1948 and 1960, when they were an important urban swing group, than they do today. Further, monolithic ethnic voting tends to create the impression that politics break down along ethnic tribalism, which actually reinforces racist attitudes. That's my worry with the Kamala Harrises and Cory Bookers. We need ethnic depolarization as a part of national healing from this divisive time.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 01:36:56 PM »

I used to have some sympathy with the 'we should pick people based on their qualifications/capability and not their identity' line of argument, but at the same time so many women and minorities are overlooked (through either conscious or unconscious bias or lack of confidence on their part) when they clearly are capable and have likely overcome more hurdles in their life to reach their position. Politics in both sides of the Atlantic is full of mediocre white middle class men who receive no way near the level of abuse and criticism directed at women and minorities, while more talented individuals from a range of backgrounds could have succeeded with more opportunities/aspirations.

I just can't see how the Democrats nominating two men would be tenable in this environment. When 50% of the population has been underrepresented for so long not to have female representation for one of the two highest offices just seems plain odd.

Because most people don't care about this stuff. Would the left wingers on this site celebrate the first black women president if she happen to be a rabid right winger? Nope....that i guess would be the wrong type of diversity for them

I think it's a good thing that there is at least one African American Senator from the South, even though Tim Scott is a Republican. I think he brings a valuable perspective that otherwise a lot of Republicans (and Democrats, quite frankly) wouldn't be hearing.

Yeah, I wouldn't vote for someone like Omarosa. But if the GOP nominated a black woman who is in the party because she is conservative on economics, foreign policy and social issues I would think it was a tremendous sign of progress. I would love to see the identity obsession removed from politics so we can focus on discussing policy issues, and the GOP having a black woman as president for 4-8 years would go a huge way to doing that.
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