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« on: May 07, 2008, 08:54:28 AM »

1. Using the just-war theory, what justification did America have to get involved in WWI (and don't say "Lusitania". That was a British ship that had prior warning about a German attack.)

The Zimmermann telegram of course. If you don't know about that one, then uhm...

2. If the U.S. had not intervened in WWI, would it have been more likely that a treaty fairer to the Germans would have ended it, rather than the one-sided Versailles Treaty?

Lol no, in fact it would've have been even more one-sided. The US was the most moderate of the Allies in terms on the Versaille treaty.

3. Had a less one-sided treaty than Versailles ended the war, would it have been as likely for Hitler to have risen to power on a nationalistic platform?

The Versaille treaty played a part oc, but the Great Depression was a large cause of his rise.

4. Had the British not drawn artificial boundaries for Eastern Europe and the Middle East, would the conflicts in the Balkans, Palestine, and the Muslim World have been as likely?

Do you expect that the Hashemites would've been able to set up an Arab state that is actually stable and can survive? The obvious answer is non. Hussein was a lunatic. And blaming the British for all post-war conflicts in those regions is a bit extreme.

5. Should Roosevelt and Chuchill have opened up their immigration policy to Jews and other non-Aryans fleeing Nazi Germany?

Yes, but that's a personal opinion question with little relevance.

6. Would the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor have happened if Roosevelt had not placed sanctions against Japan?

Yes. I doubt Japan attacked Pearl Harbour as a reaction to "the mean Americans placed SANCTIONS on Japan!!! ATTACK!". The Japanese didn't care much for sanctions.

7. If we needed to declare war against Germany to stop Hitler, why didn't we 'need' to declare war on Russia to stop the genocidal Stalin? Did we 'need' to declare war on France in the 19th Century to stop Napoleon?

Don't compare Hitler and Stalin to Napoleon. Yes, Napoleon killed people. But he didn't set up death camps and commit mass genocides. And declaring war on the USSR must be the stupidest thing I've heard.

8. Given that Hitler couldn't cross the English Channel, how likely would it have been for Hitler to invade the United States?

Extremely unlikely. The Japanese posed more of a threat.

9. Does it matter that German civilians were targeted during both wars?

That's war.

10. Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki really necessary to end the war, since the Japanese were willing to negociate a conditional surrender?

No. But Truman wanted to win in Japan without the Soviets doing anything. If he hadn't chosen to drop the bomb, the USSR would've invaded Japan and the victory would've been a joint US-USSR victory, which the Americans couldn't accept.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 07:17:00 PM »

1. Using the just-war theory, what justification did America have to get involved in WWI (and don't say "Lusitania". That was a British ship that had prior warning about a German attack.)

The Zimmermann telegram of course. If you don't know about that one, then uhm...

Mexico didn't invade us though. They were simply asked to.

The US saw the telegram as a provocation. Germany was asking a country to invade a country not officialy at war with Germany.

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Lol no, in fact it would've have been even more one-sided. The US was the most moderate of the Allies in terms on the Versaille treaty.[/quote]

However, the war wouldn't have been as decisive an Allied victory if we didn't enter the war, thus making a balanced treaty more likely.
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Do you expect that the Hashemites would've been able to set up an Arab state that is actually stable and can survive? The obvious answer is non. Hussein was a lunatic. And blaming the British for all post-war conflicts in those regions is a bit extreme. [/quote]

There wouldn't be as many territorial conflicts if the British had drawn the boundaries with respect to the inhabiting ethnic groups, rather than how they did.
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Read about the Balkan Wars. It's interesting.

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Yes. I doubt Japan attacked Pearl Harbour as a reaction to "the mean Americans placed SANCTIONS on Japan!!! ATTACK!". The Japanese didn't care much for sanctions. [/quote]

What other reason would they have for attacking Pearl Harbor? It's not like the Japanese would be so idiotic as to attack one of the most powerful nations in the world for no reason.
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Whatever it is, it was for sure not 'sanctions'.

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Don't compare Hitler and Stalin to Napoleon. Yes, Napoleon killed people. But he didn't set up death camps and commit mass genocides. And declaring war on the USSR must be the stupidest thing I've heard. [/quote]

That wasn't the area where I was comparing them. I was comparing them because all attempted to conquer Europe.
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The US foreign policy in 1815 wasn't the same as they the US foreign policy in 1945.

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That's war.[/quote]

Would killing civilians be justified during peace? If you answer no, as any rational person would, then why do the rules change during war? Do all laws get suspended by war, or just murder laws?
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War is unfair. War does not follow laws or morals. I don't like war, oc FTR.

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No. But Truman wanted to win in Japan without the Soviets doing anything. If he hadn't chosen to drop the bomb, the USSR would've invaded Japan and the victory would've been a joint US-USSR victory, which the Americans couldn't accept.
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Again, explain why we needed to bomb Japan to stop the Soviets? Also, I'm sure that the 200,000 dead from Hiroshima alone wouldn't have cared whether the U.S. or the Soviets killed them.
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I just did. If the US hadn't dropped the bomb and invaded, the Soviets would have joined them in the invasion making it a joint American-Soviet victory, like in Germany. And possibly leading to the same situation as in Germany.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 06:59:54 AM »

SPC, a libertarian hack site isn't a source. I wouldn't put that in my history paper.
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