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minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
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« on: February 14, 2005, 04:10:25 PM »
« edited: February 14, 2005, 04:33:47 PM by Lewis Trondheim »

Lewis Trondheim speaking in Moscow, Idaho
This weekend, the Supreme Court has declared the Unwed and Teenager Mothers Protection Bill unconstitutional.
My initial response was shock and outrage.
I've pondered this ruling for several hours now, and I now have more mixed feelings about it.
The Supreme Court argued for a very strict interpretation of clauses 16 and 17 of the Powers Amendment. I would not have argued the same way, but the Justices' interpretation is certainly valid. The real problem lies with the Constitution.
Therefore I have proposed to the Constitutional Convention to include a "General Welfare" clause, modelled on the same clause in the US Constitution, in the Atlas Constitution.
They also struck down the bill because it dictated to the regions how to spend money appropriated to them. I would have to read the relevant sections of the Constitution very well, but it is quite possible that I would have actually concurred on this part of the verdict.

However, the Justices went further. Even though it was not even strictly necessary to arrive at their verdict, they pronounced:
Furthermore, this bill violates the equal protection clause of the Civil Liberties Amendment.  By only applying to unwed and teenage mothers, this bill discriminates against certain women on the basis of marital status.
Now, the equal protection clause states "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Just before, the Court argues for a very strict interpretation of the Constitutional text, and now they come up with THIS?
On that basis - that the equal protection clause forbids discrimination on the basis of marital status - you would have to strike all those provisions in the Tax Code that put a married couple in a better situation financially than two unrelated persons making the same wages.
Worse, the thrust of the argument seems to be that the equal protection clause forbids laws that discriminate - that differentiate between individuals that are not alike.
This doctrine would strike down any law that actually makes a difference in people's lives on the very grounds that it makes a difference in people's lives.
This is a horrible decision, and it will be very hard to defeat its ill effects. Essentially the only options would be to repeal or modify the Equal Protection Clause - which noone can want, seriously - or to get a better Suprime Court bench. As the Justices have not in my opinion committed any impeachable offense, this will test your patience.

The Justice who cast the deciding vote in this decision, the  Honorable* John Dibble, has been nominated and confirmed to the Court just days ago. His position on the Teenage and Unwed Mothers Protection Act was known at the time. Yet the same Senators that had voted for the Act confirmed him with very little debate.
Thence, if there is one lesson to be learned from this sad affair, it is this: Senators, be more cautious with lifetime appointments. A LOT more cautious. If you feel that somebody's take on the meaning of the constitution is radically different from yours, DO NOT confirm that person, whatever their record may be, however nice blokes they may be. YOU have the power to control who makes it onto the bench, do not waste it anymore.

* Is that the right term of address? What is the right term of address? Whatever it is, assume that I used it. Smiley
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minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2005, 04:25:20 PM »

My reason for vote "Aye" on the Dibble confirmation was the (sadly mistaken) assumption that he would leave his ideology at the door and that someone with my views voting to confirm someone with his views would help heal the bitterness that has overcome Atlasia of late.
Yes, I know that...the reason why I didn't urge Senators to vote "no" in the vote thread is that I felt it would be seen as bitter and spiteful.
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minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2005, 05:10:24 PM »

My reason for vote "Aye" on the Dibble confirmation was the (sadly mistaken) assumption that he would leave his ideology at the door and that someone with my views voting to confirm someone with his views would help heal the bitterness that has overcome Atlasia of late.
Yes, I know that...the reason why I didn't urge Senators to vote "no" in the vote thread is that I felt it would be seen as bitter and spiteful.

It's politics, I wouldn't have taken it personally. As I believe I said in the hearing, I'm always open to constructive criticism.
It's not just about your reaction...
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minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2005, 05:17:46 PM »

Since then, we have changed our minds on this part - particularly due to the legal argument in the case commentary by Peter Bell - so it is unlikely this will be used in the future by this current court, and definitely not by this Justice.
Good. Smiley
(Of course, you recognize this is a campaign speech directed at the voters in Idaho. Not all of them read the government thread. Smiley )

My reason for vote "Aye" on the Dibble confirmation was the (sadly mistaken) assumption that he would leave his ideology at the door and that someone with my views voting to confirm someone with his views would help heal the bitterness that has overcome Atlasia of late.

Do I have to go through this again too? I left my ideology at the door, so to speak, but I still have to do a job - interpret the Constitution and lower laws, and whether the two are compatible. All interpretation is based on some sort of opinion - I couldn't very well do my job if I had no opinion on anything. So, I kept my ideology regarding the Constitution - strict constructionist, which was a known factor - as I would have to to do the job. If you believe I could have left my way of interpretation at the door and still manage to do my job, I'd like to ask how I should go about doing that?
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Yes, that's an ideology that's indeed impossible to shed as a Supreme Court justice...you might as well demand of a Senator to shed his political beliefs.

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So is that part of the bill still on the lawbooks or what? I don't remember reading that in the verdict. (Runs away to look up what Section 6 actually is)
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minionofmidas
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2005, 05:29:02 PM »

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So is that part of the bill still on the lawbooks or what? I don't remember reading that in the verdict. (Runs away to look up what Section 6 actually is)

No, a previous case precedent (Texasgurl vs. Fritz I believe) makes ruling one section of a bill unconstitutional strike down the whole thing. I've also mentioned that it was my initial thought to only strike down unconstutional sections, but in the interest of keeping a stable system(and fair, I suppose, since it would be hypocritical to do it with one bill and not another) I decided not to argue the issue. This was the reason we didn't state it in the verdict - the entire bill was struck down, so it was not considered relevant. If we don't say anything specific, you can probably assume that a section is constitutional, or at the very least was not argued on.

Just reference, section 6 dealt with giving those on the program scholarships for college.
I'd looked that up by now. Smiley
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