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Mr.Phips
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« on: December 25, 2016, 05:38:21 PM »

She and Tim Kaine are the reasons why a sitting officeholder cannot chair the DNC.  The DNC chairmanship is a full time job and the person holding the position needs to eat, breathe, and sleep party politics.
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 09:50:31 PM »
« Edited: December 25, 2016, 09:57:12 PM by Mr.Phips »

The entirety of the Democratic Party's leadership under Obama needs to be wiped clean so we can start over. Obama himself wasn't bad or incompetent, but all those who ran the party underneath him which, to a certain extent, was a reflection of his poor leadership skills, watched the party's numbers being decimated at every level of government and did absolutely nothing to halt or reverse it except point fingers and name call.

In reality, DWS was merely a symptom of the party's disease.

The issue is that Obama never wanted to get involved in the party politics side of things and always despised it. He just saw himself as above and beyond that. In hindsight, I think he should have cleaned the ship the second he became President, but his major flaw crept in, which seemed to be that he just has too much faith in other people. I think in another time and place that kind of leadership would be suitable, but what the party needed at the time was someone like LBJ.

And the Democratic party will be paying for this for many years. Obama needed to have a Karl Rove in the White House who had a one track focus on party politics at all times.  Instead, Obama tore town the 50 state strategy and filled the DNC with hacks that only cared about getting him re-elected in 2012.

Democrats who blindly followed Obama's tearing down of the 50 state strategy and allowing the state Democratic parties to rot away now.deserve what they get in President Trump. 
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Mr.Phips
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 02:23:43 PM »

obama has had "heartland" support in 2008....and then got countered by unknown levels of resistance on all possible levels.

imho republicans should have made deals with obama .....now everyone is pissed as hell.

no president should ever again meet this level of obstructionism....i am somehow relieved that democrats are too weak right now to be a good scapegoat for trump.

the people are going to feel his agenda hard and good.

A lot of the Congressional Democratic majority were built on Blue Dogs. In hindsight, not the best foundation for passing a substantive Democratic majority. I imagine that won't be a problem next time but still.

Well, the biggest problem was the Senate.  Dems had 60 votes there for about 8 months in 2009 and early 2010.  Obama and Reid should have threatened to throw Lieberman out of the caucus and set up a recall election in Connecticut if he didn't support the healthcare bill with the public option. 
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Mr.Phips
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 03:08:58 PM »

obama has had "heartland" support in 2008....and then got countered by unknown levels of resistance on all possible levels.

imho republicans should have made deals with obama .....now everyone is pissed as hell.

no president should ever again meet this level of obstructionism....i am somehow relieved that democrats are too weak right now to be a good scapegoat for trump.

the people are going to feel his agenda hard and good.

A lot of the Congressional Democratic majority were built on Blue Dogs. In hindsight, not the best foundation for passing a substantive Democratic majority. I imagine that won't be a problem next time but still.

Well, the biggest problem was the Senate.  Dems had 60 votes there for about 8 months in 2009 and early 2010.  Obama and Reid should have threatened to throw Lieberman out of the caucus and set up a recall election in Connecticut if he didn't support the healthcare bill with the public option. 

Wouldn't have cleared the Democratic House. The Democratic Party was trying to pass an agenda in which they assumed realignment had happened, not a temporary check to fix the country's problems. Lieberman wasn't the only problem. If you think I'm exaggerating, Daily Kos ran an article in late 2008 when they called Obama a realigning President and the Reagan era over.

ObamaCare passed like by 220-212 or something in the House. A public option would've been tough on top of everything else (I can hear the screams in the 2010 town halls: "you MADE a government corporation to offer healthcare?!")


The bill with the public option passed the House in November 2009 and was only scuttled because they allowed Lieberman to block it in the Senate a month later. 
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