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« on: May 31, 2008, 09:00:44 AM »
« edited: May 31, 2008, 10:36:57 AM by StateBoiler »

If the GOP were to move to a more populist economic policy, they would just become blue dog Democrats. In fact, that's what Huckabee sounds like half the time.

Fortunately, though, the blue dog Democrats are mostly Republicans now.

And that's why the Republican Party is getting more of a populist direction AHDuke. All those old southern Democrats that were extremely conservative socially while being incredibly economically populist (remember, the South was much poorer than the rest of the country for a long time) shifted toward the Republican Party in the 1980s. What, you think they're not going to try and get their views out there as the party's guiding force?

Anyway, as a small-l libertarian myself, I'll agree that the anarchist/radical wing of the libertarian philosophy has a lot of nuts in it. There are certain things government does I could not fathom getting rid of cause I don't see a better alternative. Public education being one. I spent every day of my education in public school, from kindergarten to my bachelor's degree in college, partly cause I live in the South where private schools do not traditionally exist, partly cause my parents couldn't afford it anyway. And with the way the world is going nowadays with the global competition market, we need to have our children taught just to ensure businesses want to put their operations there, so they have a ready workforce they can call upon, which helps enrich the residents cause they have more money. Military is another cause I disagree with the idea of our country and the military being dependent on mercenaries, although that is the direction that the government has been doing for the last 20 years with having more military functions done by private contractors.

That said, my being a libertarian is more toward driving efficiency. We have a program that the government provides. What is its purpose? Is it performing its job well? And would it do the job better than a private company would? I am in my twenties and the country is severely f***ed in the future unless we either cut costs or raise taxes a ton. If you're around my age and you think there's a chance that your Social Security check will be any form of significant when you reach retirement, I don't know what to tell you other than I bet you failed 8th grade math. And yet we keep adding more and more expenses while we cut taxes. How does this make sense? I agree entirely with Mike Huckabee on this point:

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If John McCain does not win in November, or if he has a bad presidency a la Hoover or Carter and draws primary opposition, 2012 is going to be very interesting. Cause in those circumstances, we all know Mike Huckabee will be back running for the Republican nomination, and he will be looked at as a major candidate this time. I personally enjoyed his candidacy this past time around. All those Republicans that pretty much told the libertarian wing of the party "to go f*** themselves, you're not wanted" and then got horrified that the members of their own party were voting en masse for a previously unknown Arkansas populist preacher got exactly what they deserve.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 10:26:24 AM »
« Edited: May 31, 2008, 10:29:34 AM by StateBoiler »

How long will it take for Huckabee to realize that socially liberal and economically conservative is not a completely description of libertarianism?

Oversimplified for sure, but that's basically it. I find the two biggest issues among libertarians to be promoting home schooling and gun rights.

I agree with BrandonH here. The lunacy of descibing libertarianism is fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is what leads "libertarian" magazines like Reason to promote Giuliani and diss Paul, even though it is clear that the latter is far more libertarian than the former. Social liberalism is many times just as invasive of personal liberties as social conservatism is.

I personally am a libertarian and on most social issues I'd call myself mildly conservative, although I understand that most of my views on social issues should not become federally mandated, it's more just a matter of my personal opinion that should be formed person to person instead of something I want the government to enforce.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 05:10:53 PM »
« Edited: June 03, 2008, 05:12:51 PM by StateBoiler »

But don't you think that the only way for Libertarians to gain any power is by joining forces with the GOP?  The LP has been incredibly unsuccessful

That's what most libertarians argued through the 1980s and 1990s. Guess what, the Republicans told their libertarian wing f*** you and George W. Bush is about as un-libertarian as you can get. So that failed.

I've personally advocated to both libertarians and Libertarians entryism. Act like an organism inside the party but really only caring about the results of our like-minded members. Have people registered and in election on both the Democratic and Republican party lines, focus on winning primaries in areas where only one party has a chance at winning. Then, one day when they have large enough members to be the kingmaker and neither the Democrats or Republicans have a majority, all members split off and form their own party.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 05:14:12 PM »

We need a new right party that's not focused on the fundies for support. Then we can get the 'ideal' some people want of most of the LP's members working with this movement. Think a secular conservative center-right party which economically ranges from center to center-right and socially from permissive leaning to center-right(Note how I don't say socially liberal or progressive).

Good luck with that. Here's our country's politics: Choice A and Choice B.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 05:14:50 PM »

While the best way to defeat Socialism certainly isn't to kiss up to it, Hucks got a way with words when on the attack (unless he's telling Alan Colmes to go to Sunday School) While he's not my favourite it's nice to see him take a shot at the anarchist white supremacist libertarians.

Very Democrat of you.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 09:10:55 PM »

We need a new right party that's not focused on the fundies for support. Then we can get the 'ideal' some people want of most of the LP's members working with this movement. Think a secular conservative center-right party which economically ranges from center to center-right and socially from permissive leaning to center-right(Note how I don't say socially liberal or progressive).

Good luck with that. Here's our country's politics: Choice A and Choice B.

Democrats could easily become that. They're already starting to pick up big business and the blue collar types have been becoming more GOP.

So that leaves the liberals and progressives to become Republicans?

I don't think you understand coalition politics. Groups don't disappear. They just adjust to which group gives them the greatest political advantage. And with how things look currently, the liberals and progressives are a sizable enough group to look after themselves and will have influence due to that size, period. The only subgroup I would say is larger than them currently are the Christian conservatives.
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