Presidential Comparison 4

[Kaine for Senate '18]

LBJ.  Hoover did nothing to respond to the Depression, while the Great Society was one of the greatest pieces of social legislation in history.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover, he tried to protect the values of small government.  LBJ expolited Kennedy's death to try and expand the federal government.

He tried to get equal protection for blacks, and make sure poor people can have decent lives.  How awful of him

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover, he tried to protect the values of small government.  LBJ expolited Kennedy's death to try and expand the federal government.

He tried to get equal protection for blacks, and make sure poor people can have decent lives.  How awful of him

Equal protection for blacks has nothing to do with expanding the federal government.  However, if you were trying to help homeless people, fighting a meaningless war was not a good way to increase the cash flow to them.

The war was certainly a mistake, that is true.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

Not on American soil

That is irrelevant, though.  We did not provoke them, and they still attacked us.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

Not on American soil

That is irrelevant, though.  We did not provoke them, and they still attacked us.

What? Absolutely nonsensical.

It doesn't matter that we weren't attacked on American soil; we were still attacked without provocation.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

Not on American soil

That is irrelevant, though.  We did not provoke them, and they still attacked us.

What? Absolutely nonsensical.

It doesn't matter that we weren't attacked on American soil; we were still attacked without provocation.

WITHOUT PROVOCATION?  We were in Vietnam

We were defending South Vietnam.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do you dismiss the war in Iraq that easily?

No, at least in Vietnam, we were attacked first.

Not on American soil

That is irrelevant, though.  We did not provoke them, and they still attacked us.

What? Absolutely nonsensical.

It doesn't matter that we weren't attacked on American soil; we were still attacked without provocation.

WITHOUT PROVOCATION?  We were in Vietnam

We were defending South Vietnam.

Explain again how that is not provoking them.  "Oh yea, don't attack us we're just defending your enemy."

If they would just stay where they were supposed to be, and not invade another country, then we don't have a problem.  We didn't attack them, they attacked us first.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If they would just stay where they were supposed to be, and not invade another country, then we don't have a problem.  We didn't attack them, they attacked us first.

And what business did we have entangling ourselves in their civil war?  You basically admitted they were attacking S. Vietnam and not the US

The policy of containment.  They attacked an ally of ours.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If they would just stay where they were supposed to be, and not invade another country, then we don't have a problem.  We didn't attack them, they attacked us first.

And what business did we have entangling ourselves in their civil war?  You basically admitted they were attacking S. Vietnam and not the US

The policy of containment.  They attacked an ally of ours.

No one is disputing that, that does not mean we did not provoke them.  Helping someone's enemy on their home turf seems like the textbook definition of provocation

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

Didn't you argue in the other thread that the Union had every right to invade the Confederacy?  So its okay to invade soverign nations when it floats your boat?

The Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

Didn't you argue in the other thread that the Union had every right to invade the Confederacy?  So its okay to invade soverign nations when it floats your boat?

The Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place.

What right did South Vietnam have to be apart from North Vietnam?

They were divided up, and it was agreed to.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

Didn't you argue in the other thread that the Union had every right to invade the Confederacy?  So its okay to invade soverign nations when it floats your boat?

The Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place.

What right did South Vietnam have to be apart from North Vietnam?

They were divided up, and it was agreed to.

By whom? De Gaulle?

The Geneva Agreements; although things would have been so much better if those elections had taken place.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

We stayed in S. Vietnam, so it wasn't their turf.

Didn't you argue in the other thread that the Union had every right to invade the Confederacy?  So its okay to invade soverign nations when it floats your boat?

The Confederacy had no right to secede in the first place.

What right did South Vietnam have to be apart from North Vietnam?

They were divided up, and it was agreed to.

By whom? De Gaulle?

The Geneva Agreements; although things would have been so much better if those elections had taken place.

You have, thankfully, acknowledged the accords were broken

Of course; you cannot argue with the facts.