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Dan the Roman
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« on: February 24, 2011, 01:15:59 PM »

That's really the only issue that matters - as that would be a huge executive power grab if this could not be done.

Congress can choose to appoint someone. I wonder if the House GOP may actually decide not to do so, because this is the one part of DOMA which is clearly and unequivocally indefensible, and Boehner isn't looking to stir up the youngs before 2012 with a culture war where they have already banked all the votes they can get out of the issue.

Indefensible to gay rights activists, perhaps.  But not indefensible to the Republican social conservative base.  The Republicans are dead with their base if they don't fight Obama's nonsensical decision.

Indefensible on constitutional grounds. That doesn't mean the Republican social conservative base understands this, of course, and will want to waste money on a kamikaze run.

Indefensible under current law. If congress wanted to, it could prohibit the federal government from recognizing any marriage licenses issued in MA, NH, CT, VT, and Iowa. What it can't do is take a legally indistinguishable type of document(since there is no separate gay marriage and straight marriage license forms, not even gender is included on some of them) and honor some and not honor others.
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Dan the Roman
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 12:48:22 PM »

Indefensible on constitutional grounds. That doesn't mean the Republican social conservative base understands this, of course, and will want to waste money on a kamikaze run.

Again, to gay rights activists.  The DOMA is perfectly defensible on constitutional grounds.  Nothing in the constitution confers rights to people due to sexual orientation, or so the argument goes. 

But it doesn't, because there is no such thing as a legal concept of "same-sex" marriage. Nor is their a federal marriage license for which the federal government could set standards. What there is a federal law saying a marriage certificate issued by the state of Massachusetts makes one eligible for certain benefits, unless it is issued to a certain group of people.

This is not about whether a federal law defining marriage, and taking over the issuance of licenses is constitutional. Such a law almost certainly is. It is whether the federal government can outsource it to states, but then deny recogniztion to state recognized partnerships on a basis of guess work. Since again, MA does not report to the Federal government which marriages are same-sex and which aren't.

Again, what pray tell, is the legal difference between a Massachusetts Marriage license issued to Sam and Steve and Sam and Paula. Not what is the justification for treating them differently, which is the prerogative of the state of Massachusetts, but what makes them legally distinct?
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