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The Vorlon
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« on: January 25, 2005, 10:16:05 PM »
« edited: January 25, 2005, 10:21:55 PM by The Vorlon »

As a fairly "moderate" Libertarian, I think I need to defend my party a bit here... Smiley

The War on Drugs

The purpose of law enforcement is not only to punish the offender, but also, and this is perhaps even more important, defend the best interests of society.

An 18 year old black kid gets caught with half a key, and we send him away to jail for 2o years:

Cost => +/-  $1.2 million +++++

When this kid gets out when his is 40 years old, he has no education, no job skills and a 20 year prison record hanging around his neck for the rest of his life. 

What are his chances of becoming a productive, useful member of society when he gets out?   (Hint... you have better odds at "powerball")

The BEST possible scenario is he hangs around on Welfare till he dies (cost to society till he dies +/- $400K), the more likely scenario is he goes back to crime.

The Punishment to SOCIETY ($1.6 million plus what lost productivity this kid could have contributed) vastly exceeds the crime this kid committed.

The mandated minimum sentences for drug crimes, while absurdly long ffor the criminal, are also absurdly punative to the SOCIETY. 

Somebody once joked that any kid caught with half a key should be sentenced to a 4 year full scholarship at Princton.

Guess what?, the 4 year plan at Princton costs barely 20% of the current system and is likely to produce a productive member of society not a permanent drain the keeps punishing SOCIETY for the crime..




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The Vorlon
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 10:52:20 PM »


Their belief that government is being "oppressive" simply for taxing people to deliver the greater good. It just seems like a very heartless ideology.


The problem with government is that it has become unresponsive, and has become it's own self sustaining ceneter of power.

I am an advocate of what is called philanthropic capitalism, when money is allocated for good works, but continued funding is tied to actual results.

A small example:

Back in 1999 myself and a few of my business partners collapsed one of our companies and realized a fairly nice profit.  We decided to set up a small foundation with some of the proceeds.  It's a very small foundation but we are able to give out annual grants totalling about +/-$70,000 per year.

We are all big advocates of basic educational skills, mainly Math which we happen to think is very badly taught by and large in the schools.

We annully request grant applications where we require applicants to spell out two things:

1)  What do you hope to accomplish?
2)  How will you measure what you have achieved?

While most of the grant applications are great at #1, they are almost always wretchedly bad at #2.

A couple years back we pulled a grant from one group because they simply could provide absolutely no evidence that ther project they ran made kids better at math...

That almost never happens in Government.

In Government, when a school fails badly, we give them more money, not less and this is just morally wrong.

If as a society we decide to spend X dollars to educate children is it not a moral imperative that we "buy" as much education as we possible can for than money? -

Is it nor morally wrong to give that money to bad teachers and bad schools, when for the same money we could get better results giving it to good teachers and good schools?

Everybody is (correctly) shocked when the Pentagon buys $4000 hammers.  $4000 hammers are a lousy way to defend a nation.

Yet we have $60K teachers, many of whom are no brighter than that $4000 hammer, yet we reward them with more money for failure...

As a libertarian what I hate about Government is the disconnect between money in and value out.

There is no connection and no accountability, and no incentive for economy.

The entire Budget of the US Salvation army is under a 1/4 billion a year.

Think of all the Salvation army does in a year.

Think how little  the government can do with a quarter Billion.

Here is a question for all you honest Liberals out there.....

The US spent about 1.1 trillion on welfare last year. 

If we totally abolished Welfare and gave the whole $1.1 Trillion to the Salvation Army, would the poor be better or worse off...?

If you answered "Better" you have seen the obvious and are one step along the path to becoming a libertarian... Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2005, 05:27:09 PM »

My adivce to the Libertarians: fix the platform. It's insane.

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2005, 05:30:00 PM »


Permission is given when the government received its mandate from the people to carry out its agenda.


So if, say 85% of the people (Whites) voted to enslave 15% of the population (Blacks) that would be ok then..?

Or if 51% of the popoulation voted to simply take all the money of the other 49%, that would be fine too I guess...?
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