KY: Rasmussen: McCain +25 over Obama, Clinton +9 over McCain (user search)
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Franzl
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« on: May 26, 2008, 10:51:44 AM »

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 11:01:51 AM »

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

This poll shows McCain -9 against Clinton, not +9.

Oops...happens to me a lot...sorry then.

In that case, I doubt the numbers, actually. Why should there be such a sudden swing to Clinton? Maybe temporary due to her campaigning there?
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Franzl
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 06:01:03 AM »

All this tells me is that many KY 'Democrats' are either a spiteful bunch, at best, or a racist bunch, at worst


I'm not a big fan of the "Obama lost KY because of race analysis".... even if you look at the exit polls and say that 20% of KY voters thought race was a major factor (although there are still multiple ways to interpret that), Hillary still would have won by a significant margin.


Here is my understanding of what has been happening (from another thread):

Much of the problem Obama has had with working class Democrats, especially in Appalachia, is that they aren't so much 'visionary' in their political view-point, they could be said to be of a more 'substantialist' view-point and, IMO, good a campaign Obama has waged this primary cycle, these voters need to see more policy substance from Obama. They need to be sure that Obama is every bit as much for their interests as Clinton, who face it is no more culturally populist then he is

Bottom-line is that they trust Clinton more on the economy and quality of life issues, like healthcare; while Iraq may not be of such primary importance to these voters; and this may well explain why Obama has been unable to build on the breakthrough he achieved among Clinton's base in Wisconsin


Just because race was not a factor in the Democratic primary, it's plausible that base spite and prejudice could be working against Obama in the general

Polls suggest that Obama's base would be more solidly for Clinton as the nominee than hers would be for Obama, which is disgusting when you consider only Obama has a fair path to the nomination. That's the point I'm making

Dave

So you seriously consider it "disgusting" that voters do not support your preferred candidate? I would consider that a pretty undemocratic and condescending view. One of the points of democracy is that people can decide for themselves who to vote for, without other people telling them they're disgusting for doing it.

No...whats disgusting is not supporting a candidate because they beat their candidate fair and square in the nomination process so they'd rather defect to a candidate that shares little to no opinions and views at all with them just because they are sore losers. Seriously? Just hand the republicans the election in November....lets not even vote.

All that is assumption on your part. You're deciding for other people what their views "should" be. You're figuring that you know exactly why millions of people are deciding their vote in a democracy and giving yourselves the right to mock and condescend it. THAT is disgusting.

I also consider it amusing that Dave later on argues that it is disugsting because Clinton can only win unfairly by doing something he supports - seating FL and MI!

You didn't understand him very well then.
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