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dead0man
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« on: October 07, 2014, 12:31:44 AM »


Well, he surely was a HP in many ways, but also a literal FF, so both must be the correct answer.
Well, sort of.  He fought hard and well for his people, that's commendable.  He was also a liar and a Commie and did all the things liars and Commies always do (murdered many thousands of people for the horrible thing of disagreeing with him).  He was fighting, but not for any freedom.
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dead0man
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 05:29:05 AM »


Well, he surely was a HP in many ways, but also a literal FF, so both must be the correct answer.
Well, sort of.  He fought hard and well for his people, that's commendable.  He was also a liar and a Commie and did all the things liars and Commies always do (murdered many thousands of people for the horrible thing of disagreeing with him).  He was fighting, but not for any freedom.

Freedom is not a 100% objective thing, its mostly a feeling, and freedom from foreign rule and interference was a thing the Vietnamese cared passionately about.
Which is why measuring national liberation struggle leaders from Third World countries with very different norms is pointless. Ho certainly fought what most Vietnamese considered colonial and imperialist oppression which made him a FF in their eyes.
Most?  Probably not.  Certainly not the ones he imprisoned or murdered for having the gall to disagree with him.  Nor the millions he forced to stay in the north when he and French divided the country up.  Seems he did a lot of fighting against freedom and his own people.
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