Palestine college student protest megathread

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"why are so many young people so obsessed with Palestine?"
"its due to all the pro_Jewish groups on campuses!"

<admit it's about the racism without admitting it's about the racism>

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Lowkey I hope this happens at my university too.
I would rather spend my graduation day doing something fun with my family and then receiving the degree in the mail than have to sit through a tedious ceremony just for nice photo ops.

it was the third best part of Covid!  It sucked that my youngest had to miss the last 2 months of his senior year of HS, but not having a graduation ceremony was awesome.  They are the worst.  Have we (student and student's family) not suffered enough at the hands of this institution?  I'll say it, all ceremonies involving robes are lame.

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Honestly I don’t get why more blue avatars doesn’t just decides to eat popcorn and enjoy the spectacle of the chickens coming home to roost.

I'm trying not get too excited before the Democratic Convention.  No sense busting your funny bone now when there are way better jokes just around the corner.

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I think it's the epitome of privilege to throw away an Ivy League education over a cause that has nothing to do with your university and can't have any impact on the thing you're protesting. Like sure, Israel needs to wind down this war, and it is terrible look for them to kill as many civilians in 6 months as we killed in the much larger country of Afghanistan in over 20 years, but is it really worth getting expelled when your protest isn't going make any difference?

These students had a great opportunity and squandered it for nothing, and it's no surprise that "middle America" does not and will emphasis empathize with them.

I fully support as many students as possible doing stuff like this, especially in my area. They must do it for Palestinian liberation!

with the kidnapping and civil right violations?

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my favorite part is that if we gave these bigoted clowns everything they asked for in their protests, they'd still be angry, sad and asking for more (and now motivated).  They have broken brains.

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There needs to be a way to redefine American patriotism away from the view that "pro-America = pro-hawkish / pro-war in every possible instance". Ironically the America First right has done it first under Trump. Now the left needs its own equivalent. Take care of our own people first and invest domestically over wars abroad. That has always been a left-wing mantra for as long as I can remember.

hatred of America (and western civilization more broadly) is one of their key uniting principles.  There is zero chance these people would ever accept even the most neutered pro America sloganeering.

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Did you see this one? Shortly before the NYPD went into Hamilton Hall, this Columbia protester was demanding that the university provide the students with "humanitarian aid":

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1785386376755900611

these poor children, the guy in the back can't even afford clothes that fit him.

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The children of Gaza are watching you, college students.  They are listening as casualties are still occurring in Gaza.

How are the children of Gaza watching these protests when I was told one of Israel's main genocidal acts was cutting power and internet access for the Gazans?  The same people doing these protests assured me that Israel was going to block everyone in Gaza from the internet so they couldn't broadcast evidence and testimony of Israel's brutal acts of ethnic cleansing.

they got really good printers too, with lots of red ink.

https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1786094759074775444

I like how it starts with twenty (at least) and ends with two because the rest got winded on the 50 meter jog there.

The Revolution is going to need a lot of naps.

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United Nations denounced violent police crackdown on student protestors in the US.

now that they've used the strongest weapon in their arsenal against us, a strongly worded letter, what else do we have to worry about?

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yeah, but this one clown guy did a racist dance, so, ya know, equal

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I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

gainfully employed people are the enemy, we support genocide by working for "the man" or something

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Maybe they’re anticipating emergency dental work (and it just happens to be listed along with HIV tests and Plan B). At least no one requested lube

petroleum jelly is on the list, not an ideal lube and it has other, better functions, but it is there

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The last election was almost 2 decades ago and most Palestinians weren't alive to vote in it. It's also not a country with free speech that allows you to speak ill of Hamas without risking your life. It's more or less a dictatorship. Stop justifying little kids getting bombed as if they (as kids) voted Hamas into power in 2022 or something. It's beyond the pale.

that's all well and good if you have a solution to that problem, otherwise ONLY blaming Israel comes across as "kind'a effed up" at best and "wow, that's racist" at worst.

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The last election was almost 2 decades ago and most Palestinians weren't alive to vote in it. It's also not a country with free speech that allows you to speak ill of Hamas without risking your life. It's more or less a dictatorship. Stop justifying little kids getting bombed as if they (as kids) voted Hamas into power in 2022 or something. It's beyond the pale.

that's all well and good if you have a solution to that problem, otherwise ONLY blaming Israel comes across as "kind'a effed up" at best and "wow, that's racist" at worst.

Yes, it is basically people saying Israel has no right to go to war with Palestine over the actions of Hamas until the Palestinians hold a new election to make Hamas's control of Palestine officially live up to T'Chenka's standards.  Until then Israel isn't allowed to touch Palestine in the name of defeating Hamas, because Hamas isn't the legitimate ruler of Palestine.  It's a totally unreasonable standard that's totally divorced from the reality of power situations and that has never been applied to any other conflict in the history of the world.

I was going to edit my post, but I'll just drop it here

edit-everybody that claims to care about this problem have known it was a problem for a long time, and they've done nothing to solve it other than blame Israel when they react when "the problem" asks for attention.  A bunch of Palestinians are killed, a bunch of bigots say "OMG, the IDF are monsters", peace breaks out and everybody that claims to care moves back to whinging about whatever is next on the outrage wagon.  None of you give a damn about Palestinians until "the problem" flares up again.  Certainly aren't offering any reasonable solutions.

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This is Fuzzy "condemn the Grand Mufti" stuff. Most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian have condemned Hamas. We condemn Hamas. We shouldn't need to say it 500 times. After a certain point, it's a strawman if people still pretend you haven't condemned Hamas.

great you condemn Hamas, and you want to dictate how the immediate victims of the condemned Hamas react to Hamas, but where are the solutions to Hamas?  Like I've been saying for years, a third party needs to go in there and do what needs to be done, but they won't because they know they will face the exact same problems the IDF faces and they don't want to be called the things people call the IDF.

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Maybe Israel - or Israel and a multinational anti-terrorism group including USA - should increase the boots on the ground and find a way to fight Hamas that doesn't conflict with the Geneva Convention. "Not committing war crimes" (or as you would characterize it, "not killing oodles of civilians") should be first priority and "arresting or killing Hamas" should be second priority. It's been reported that up to 90% or even higher than that of all casualties have been civilians. That isn't an acceptable or legal way to conduct a war.

why does it have to involve the US and Israel?  Why not one of the hundred plus countries in the UN that love to complain about how the US and Israel deal with the situation?  If they care so damn much, why don't they ever do anything except bitch?  Oh, that's right, they can't even manage their own affairs.

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This is Fuzzy "condemn the Grand Mufti" stuff. Most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian have condemned Hamas. We condemn Hamas. We shouldn't need to say it 500 times. After a certain point, it's a strawman if people still pretend you haven't condemned Hamas.

great you condemn Hamas, and you want to dictate how the immediate victims of the condemned Hamas react to Hamas, but where are the solutions to Hamas?  Like I've been saying for years, a third party needs to go in there and do what needs to be done, but they won't because they know they will face the exact same problems the IDF faces and they don't want to be called the things people call the IDF.

why would you dictate how the immediate victims of the IDF react to the IDF?

I don't understand the question.

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This is Fuzzy "condemn the Grand Mufti" stuff. Most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian have condemned Hamas. We condemn Hamas. We shouldn't need to say it 500 times. After a certain point, it's a strawman if people still pretend you haven't condemned Hamas.

great you condemn Hamas, and you want to dictate how the immediate victims of the condemned Hamas react to Hamas, but where are the solutions to Hamas?  Like I've been saying for years, a third party needs to go in there and do what needs to be done, but they won't because they know they will face the exact same problems the IDF faces and they don't want to be called the things people call the IDF.

why would you dictate how the immediate victims of the IDF react to the IDF?

I don't understand the question.

Would you justify it if Gazans bombed half of Israel to the ground as retaliation for what the IDF did to them?

they try all the time, they certainly would if the could.  I don't think they need me to justify it, but sure buddy, if it makes you feel better.

Now do you agree that a third party that doesn't involve the US and Israel, one of the hundred plus countries that regularly have things to say about the conflict, needs to step up and do actions instead of complaining from the sideline like a Karen at an under 8 soccer game?  If they are short on tactics maybe they could get some advice from the many tens of millions of regular jerks, several of which are in this thread, that 100% know what the IDF shouldn't do.  If they are short on tools, a long list posted to X seems to be a good way to advertise what they need (I'd suggest leaving HIV tests off the list).  The US and pals will no doubt provide you plenty of tools of war if anyone is serious, but everyone knows that will never happen because it's easier to critique than it is to do.

Getting rid of Hamas is hard to do from the outside, it's a process the Palestinians have to be involved in.  Israel has every right to not want to live with Hamas on their borders, even people who are pro-Palestinian for non-racist reasons agrees with that.  Everyone has known this for years, yet nobody but a few western countries have done anything to help.  Egypt certainly isn't helping, Iran is paying good money to make the situation worse due to millenia old racism.  I often hear about "don't you know everytime the IDF attacks it creates future terrorists?", do the people who parrot that never consider that every Hamas attacks makes future IDF members who feel a lot less guilty about blowing sh**t up and ten thousand more voters for Bibi?  This has no chance of ever ending if a strong third party doesn't come in and put it's boot on the neck of the mental midgets currently running the strip.  Israel gave you all decades to figure it out and it lead to Oct 7th.  Once this ends, and it will and the cycle repeats itself, and it will, it will continue to be the fault of very large group of people/counties/NGOs, that yes, includes the US and Israel, but also many many others who love to join you in pointing the finger of blame at the US and Israel and will never acknowledge their share of the blame.

and most of you have no trouble carrying their water for them, feeling superior because you are so bravely against the IDF bombing civilians,and how could anyone ever even argue with you about it, they all must be racists, it's the only thing that makes any sense.

wash rinse repeat

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nice attempt I guess, but I don't think that will make him cool again

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How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

can you list the countries that are super welcoming to people who celebrate terrorism?

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https://twitter.com/LittleMammith/status/1788015534753394766

it's hilarious how frequently the protestors either say ignorant things or run away from questions/cameras because they know they are going to say ignorant things.  And not even from the brave souls there trolling them, but from the friendly to them mainstream press too.

why are so many people protesting something that they don't understand?

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Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

maybe.  What would happen if you asked a rando civil rights supporter in 1959 what they were marching for? Would they say something like "I'm here because it's not right that black folk and white folk can't go to school and shop together...ride the bus together. play little league, all the stuff" or would they run away or say amazingly stupid things?


and even if you're 100% correct, it doesn't make it not funny to outsiders.

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If after six months of indiscriminately bombing a region with one of the highest population densities in the world and Israel has only killed 34,000 people then either the Israeli military sucks or they're not indiscriminately bombing people.

Well, on October 7th Hamas terrorists killed around 400 "legitimate targets" and 800 civilians and this was generally recognized as a brutal act of terror. In contrast, the most charitable estimate of the IDF's civilian-terrorist casualty ratio using their own numbers is no better than 2-1 and realistically is likely far worse than that.

So either the IDF are also terrorists or October 7th was actually a military operation conducted to the rigorous ethical standards of the "world's most moral army". The only real difference in conduct at this point is the scale of the brutality, and that point doesn't favour the IDF.

IF (big if) Hamas cared for Palestinians the same way the IDF cares about Israelis this would be an excellent point, but that is clearly not true.  In fact, Hamas actually desires civilian deaths.  It helps them gain sympathy from the useful idiots in the west who carry their water for them.  Pictures of women and children in rubble are far more effective weapons for them than rockets or bombs and they know this.

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A vast portion of these protesters are white rich kids born and bred here in America.


Better take a look at ourselves and ask ourselves, what we're teaching these kids.

young rich people are horrible at far higher rates than young middle class people.  They are worse in some ways than even young poor people.  The only thing we can do is try and convince young rich parents to NOT spoil their offspring.  For example, everyone should work in the service industry for a stretch, and not enough kids, especially rich kids, do.  It makes you a better person, certainly a better customer.  It shouldn't be required by the written law or anything, but it should be highly encouraged and people that have not should be mocked heavily for it.  (not that you can't usually tell)

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You'll be happy to know that in certain young, left-wing, but non-Like This circles, they already are; "you can tell [X] has never worked retail" is something I hear people saying at least once or twice a week.

that is great to hear