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Sarkozy fails. Francois Fillon for President.

François Fillon president...

?!?

Yes, maybe, in a "paralleeel univeeerse..." (to quote this song of the Red Hot Chili Peppers who sometimes back to my mind...)

But, clearly, I also would have preferred François Fillon for president, far.

Following the current day by day French policy, it would have been less shameful for France.

Less shameful because with him, we at least would have someone who has the sense of responsibilities, at least he seems to.

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Sarkozy fails.

We have to wait to know if he fails or not for managing the country, what is sure it is what I always said, he badly psychologically lead this country, and this one is fragile.

After "les élections municipales" (the municipal elections), changes will occur and some could be big. Maybe he is doing all his managing errors until now and he might will learn from them.

I think Attali's report is his only chance for good managing the country, let's see how he will deal with.

But, if all of this does not happen, for sure, he will fail, more and more, and more he will fail, more he will try to take decisions to make some shock, such as the last ones, and the country will drive from bad to bad.

Personally, no matter he succeed or not in the managing, I still think that he has no vision for the future, that he is unstable, that he doesn't wonder, that he thinks he is a great man thinking he always has great ideas, that he is an ideologist who is not aware of some psychological realities (as all bad ideologists). Well, I still think he will badly psychologically make explode France and maybe further...

France has been charmed by him, now she pays the bill of its non-vigilance.

Wanna cry concerning French politics?

Here's a video from a "politician" woman who concurred for deputy for the last legislatives (2007), she has been endorsed and not denied by UMP (Sarkozy's party, biggest of France). She comes from a French TV show (called "Sans aucun doute") which pretend to rule all problems of poor and despaired peoples who come to the show. Compared to Philippe de Villiers (French far-right), he is a nice sweet guy.

I think that this woman is just a caricature of the future of politics around the world. But here we are in France, and I think that it is a man like Sarkozy who opened the door to such "politicians" in our country...

Beware! It' scary!

For non-French speakers, non-understanding what is said might not be a problem to understand how this way is a dangerous way for politics.

Sure you wanna watch?

OK, let's go...

There is a second part here.

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Sarkozy fails.

We have to wait to know if he fails or not for managing the country, what is sure it is what I always said, he badly psychologically lead this country, and this one is fragile.

After "les élections municipales" (the municipal elections), changes will occur and some could be big. Maybe he is doing all his managing errors until now and he might will learn from them.

I think Attali's report is his only chance for good managing the country, let's see how he will deal with.

But, if all of this does not happen, for sure, he will fail, more and more, and more he will fail, more he will try to take decisions to make some shock, such as the last ones, and the country will drive from bad to bad.

Personally, no matter he succeed or not in the managing, I still think that he has no vision for the future, that he is unstable, that he doesn't wonder, that he thinks he is a great man thinking he always has great ideas, that he is an ideologist who is not aware of some psychological realities (as all bad ideologists). Well, I still think he will badly psychologically make explode France and maybe further...

France has been charmed by him, now she pays the bill of its non-vigilance.

Wanna cry concerning French politics?

Here's a video from a "politician" woman who concurred for deputy for the last legislatives (2007), she has been endorsed and not denied by UMP (Sarkozy's party, biggest of France). She comes from a French TV show (called "Sans aucun doute") which pretend to rule all problems of poor and despaired peoples who come to the show. Compared to Philippe de Villiers (French far-right), he is a nice sweet guy.

I think that this woman is just a caricature of the future of politics around the world. But here we are in France, and I think that it is a man like Sarkozy who opened the door to such "politicians" in our country...

Beware! It' scary!

For non-French speakers, non-understanding what is said might not be a problem to understand how this way is a dangerous way for politics.

Sure you wanna watch?

OK, let's go...

There is a second part here.

Don't deform what I said. I support most of Sarkozy's policies, but I dislike his presidential "style" and his bling bling Presidency.

Oh well, OK, I did not want to deform what you said but I maintain my post.

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I've been polled by IFOP yesterday. That's something funny:

It begins by politics, then questions on pencil marks, then on chain saw, and then back on politics...

Concerning the fact that Sarkozy is hardly down for about one month:

Now he's really unpopular, he has nothing to lose, and I think we haven't finish to see him taking poor ways...

Last one:

He said he was ready to go personaly to Colombia's border to pick Ingrid Betancourt...

What did France elected?

A president of a country?
An actor?
A super-hero?

I think he wants to be all of this at the time and he succeed to be nothing of this...

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CSA is bullcrap.

Why?

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CSA is bullcrap.

Why?

Lol, seriously, look at their tracking record.

Last poll before the first round, 2007

Sarkozy 26.5
Royal 25.5
Le Pen 16.5
Bayrou 16
Others 15.5
Runoff tied 50-50

And they also do runoff polls in Paris, Lyon, and Marseille. Haha.

Sure, what you say doesn't play for them, maybe poor bad shots, personally, I don't follow enough polls to can say it.

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CSA is bullcrap.

Why?

Lol, seriously, look at their tracking record.

Last poll before the first round, 2007

Sarkozy 26.5
Royal 25.5
Le Pen 16.5
Bayrou 16
Others 15.5
Runoff tied 50-50

And they also do runoff polls in Paris, Lyon, and Marseille. Haha.

Sure, what you say doesn't play for them, maybe poor bad shots, personally, I don't follow enough polls to can say it.

Doing runoff polls for local elections in Paris, Lyon, and Marseille is a sign that they suck. Any pollster doing such polls deserve to be shot.

Well, please forgive my stupidity, but, why shouldn't they do runoff polls for Paris, Lyon and Marseille?

I know the lists are in mess with MoDem, but peoples vote for a name, don't they?

Otherwise, I would like you to tell me why you say it?

Then, are they alone to do runoff polls for these cities?!?

I know, I should get more interest to polls, these are our future way to express the choice of the people more than the personal vote of the "dying citizen status". I think we less and less go to "The citizens" and more and more to "The people". With personal choices dying and becoming mass choices. Romans had a word to design it, they called it "vox populi" (translation: "voice of the people")...

I really take care to vote but as I consider that polls become more and more important than the vote, I also really take care to answer when I'm polled. Until now I've been 4 times, 2 by national poll institutes and 2 by local things.

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CSA is bullcrap.

Why?

Lol, seriously, look at their tracking record.

Last poll before the first round, 2007

Sarkozy 26.5
Royal 25.5
Le Pen 16.5
Bayrou 16
Others 15.5
Runoff tied 50-50

And they also do runoff polls in Paris, Lyon, and Marseille. Haha.

Sure, what you say doesn't play for them, maybe poor bad shots, personally, I don't follow enough polls to can say it.

Doing runoff polls for local elections in Paris, Lyon, and Marseille is a sign that they suck. Any pollster doing such polls deserve to be shot.

Well, please forgive my stupidity, but, why shouldn't they do runoff polls for Paris, Lyon and Marseille?

I know the lists are in mess with MoDem, but peoples vote for a name, don't they?

Otherwise, I would like you to tell me why you say it?

Then, are they alone to do runoff polls for these cities?!?

Because of the PLM law. The way local elections are in those cities, citywide raw vote totals are useless (about as useless as "nationwide" polls CSA did once in the local elections). What counts in PLM is the vote by arrondissement/secteur; to win you need to have a majority of sectors (Paris has 20, Lyon 9, Marseille . In 1983, Gaston Defferre actually lost the raw votes but won a majority of sectors. The same thing could happen again now in Marseille, considering the race is up in the air. Therefore, citywide raw votes aren't of much use. Some sources don't even report citywide vote totals.

TNS-Sofres also did one runoff poll for Marseille a short while ago and some other pollster named OpinionWay did too. Better pollsters like IFOP or Ipsos don't waste their time on such polls.

CSA also did a nationwide poll for the locals; which confirms that they suck.

Concerning the fact that these cities have several sectors that's an interesting aspect I didn't take in count. But, my way can still work, peoples can decide to vote for the mayor of their sector which supports the big mayor of the city they want, surely the most important one of both, don't they?

Concerning your last sentence, I totally agree, nationwide polls for locals are to me totally stupid too.

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Well, the points you describe me, I have to acknowledge I have a weak knowledge in the working of locals for cities with sectors, seems to be accurate and to effectively make that it's not really accurate to make runoff polls for these cities. My way just work if most of peoples who vote in these cities don't know this working, as i didn't.

You remember the video I've put in this topic? I said that to me it is a serious risk for the future of politics. Well, if ever you or someone else can currently watch French political debates, I advise you to look for example how Rachida Dati (Minister of Justice) debates, to me it goes clearly in the bad sens of the politics I worry about.

Then, concerning the first local results, left continues on stupid debates trying to affirm that was a national election and that first results were a big defeat for UMP (PS 47% UMP 45%). Hey, please politicians! Words have a sens! I you politicians don't show the example, who will do it?

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François Bayrou...

He has some good will, good values, but he is losing his-self, in poor things. It's not your epoch Francky! Franky Baba, that's the way I nickname him.

In this way I have also John Franky Coco for Jean-François Copé, Seeg Roy for Ségolène Royal, Nico Sark is Nicolas Sarkozy and maybe others I don't remember now... Hmm, yes, as sing Ramstein: "We're all living in Americaaa, America, Americaaa...".

To continue on French politics, I think Nicolas Sarkozy as found his future adversary in the person of Jean-François Copé, to me, his future opponent for the French Right. Speaking about him, JFC, I have to say that he is a better and better speaker, he was wonderful in debates of post-municipals.

I'm curious to know if that's him who asked or not for being chief of deputies at the National Assembly. It's seems that's his strategy is taking the right deputies making it a strong force, in the way to make problems to Sarkozy and to impose him as a new chief. Well on a more or less long term. Sarkozy who said that he wanted to give deputies more force in his constitutional reforms. He may didn't expect it could play against him...

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Oh and.

Aime Cesaire, former PPM mayor of Fort-de-France and great poet has died.

http://www.lemonde.fr/carnet/article/2008/04/17/le-poete-aime-cesaire-est-mort_1035299_3382.html

RIP, he was a great man.

I don't really know the man, I can't say, salutation to him.

Anybody is better than Patrick Devedjian for the UMP. I hate him.

You haven't watched French TV after municipals.

Sorry, but, John Franky Coco has became really superior than P Dev (that's how I nickname him), even if this one is enough strong, you should try to look about it...

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Anybody is better than Patrick Devedjian for the UMP. I hate him.

You haven't watched French TV after municipals.

Sorry, but, John Franky Coco has became really superior than P Dev (that's how I nickname him), even if this one is enough strong, you should try to look about it...

Did you even read what I said? I said that anybody can be better for the UMP than Devedjian; that includes Cope.

I always quite like Cope in fact. In fact, the two major group leaders and good. Ayrault and Cope are both excellent.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

An element to go in the sens of what I say concerning the fact that Cope is to me surely the next big opponent to Sarkozy at right, the fact he said a few days ago he wasn't opposite to improve the TV tax, when Sarkozy said he was totally opposite to this.

Then, Ayrault. I don't know him as mayor of Nantes but as leader of PS I just can't bear him. I think he should remember that doing politics is something serious and which concerns the life of peoples, that's not just tactics and words and tactics of words, and I say this also for a very big part of the PS, and first of all to the one who represents it the more to me, François Hollande.

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Mouhahahahahaah

I love the cartoon!!!

So true!

Where did you find it?

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Left-Radicals, eh? I like them now.

PRG? Left-radicals?!?

No, just Baylet followers.

Baylet?

Just an opportunist.

Attitude of PS on this constitutional affair?

Ridiculous, stupid, small.

This constitutional affair?

I would like that we wonder on serious things when we make a congress to change the constitution.

A referendum?

Mouhahaha... No

Next referendum?

Surely Turkey, if there are no big changes in this country which would lead it to stop its adhesion to EU.

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I see you've effectively abolished the 35-hour week.

And who did a protestation when the decision became official?

Executives!

Well, that's normal with 45 to 60 hours a week, that's maybe them who ned it more. Because for such jobs for example this 35h a week where changed in free-days to choose. And so when they felt a burnout coming they could take one or some free-days. I liked this conception of the 35 hours a week. Anyway, it is done now...

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Sarko Voodoo dolls, anyone...

French media goes a bit crazy on it.

Debates and debates and debates, now it goes on "more of that it is a caricature and a bit an insult for the Voodoo religion".

Well, as in France everybody has his opinion on it, I'll give mine. I think it's nothing more than a portable "jeu de massacre" (that's the game which consisted in launching tomatoes or else in the picture of a known figure in older times, don't know if it still exists...).

Here, instead of tomatoes you put the needles on caricatured famous things that did Sarkozy written on his doll (or Royal, because she's the other one to have a doll). And this caricatured jeux de massacre is adapted to an other caricatured thing of our epoch which is enough attractive for westerners and which is a Voodoo doll.

Some interesting things according to me:

First, it is a "jeux de massacre" it's not like a mocking drawing, there is an interaction, you act on it, you put the needles.

Second, it is a portable one, means it is a one that you can have under your hand at any time, it's not like the ancient jeux de massacre which were played only in the fest of city or of the village, so you can use when you want, as much as you want.

Third, and last one, the fact that the Voodoo doll is chosen shows that the caricature of this thing is on in our epoch. And the fact that this kind of thing is on in West in our epoch tends to confirm the fact that irrational and spirits things are on here by caricatured ways.

Well, personally, before I to see that this doll made so much debates I didn't really pay attention to it, but yes, I think this event tells us 2 or 3 interesting things on our epoch...

That said, I think that most of people who buy it (and it's a great selling success), buy it just to laugh with their friends without asking themselves so much questions, but if they don't, it can be interesting that some others do it for them...

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The UMP deputy for Moselle-9 has committed suicide after killing a woman.

When's the by-election?

There is no by-election.

Why not?

Suppleants take over when a deputy dies. This has already happened a few times in the 13th legislature.

Then what are by-elections for?

Resignations, invalid original elections.

Sort of an odd law. What's the reasoning?

I don't know but if I can try:

I guess it is because a resignation or an invalid original election engage the whole team for political meanings. The death of a deputy is a personal thing, without political implications.

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La Marseillaise sang at Assemblée National by PS deputies.

Do they have a manual to get ridiculous and pathetic or what? I don't know if they have one or not but they manage it very well...

Before our democracy was boring, now it drives pathetic...

I wonderhow big will be demonstrations on the 29th...

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Personally, I don't find it ugly. They did really worse. Their current logo party is worse for example. Bad and so old, to me.

Well, a big thing happened last Thursday. The "general strike". The "demonstrations of unhappy ones".

Well, first, something funny. Lot of people who take public transports to go at work expected a black very hard day, and news used to relay that angry opinions a lot. Here the media noise, was that people were unhappy because in fact there had not been so much problems in it. Trains, metro and bus were here! Or at least far more than expected, and so people complained about the fact they got up more early when in fact they didn't need to. I don't know if thats the result of the minimum service of Sarkozy or if it's a low number of strikers.

Second, something interesting. The union named "SUD" takes more and more place in media, and so in public opinion. SUD is a bit the equivalent of Besancenot for unions. They are never happy and they propose nothng really possible. They go the more they can in strike to protest against almost everything. That's at least the image they give. So, it seems that as Besancenot develop his popularity, SUD does the same thing through unions. Precision, Besancenot's party and SUD are not tied, they just have the same kind of speech.

Then, an other interesting thing. The whole France was in demonstration and there wasn't an only motive for it, and there wasn't really a goal. This day has been just used by people to say they were unhappy. Unhappy of this for some ones, of this for some other ones, of this for other other ones, etc, or unhappy of the whole thing, but unhappy. I heard that a lot arround me and in the media.

Well, here's the climate here. People are fed up of the "whole". The only common thing that come in lot of mouths is maybe "they gave lot of money for banks, and what for us??".

So, here we are. If we had a credible opposition it could profite to it, but PS is just down, we don't feel the slightest dynamic thing from there.

Well, tomorrow, meeting of unions to organize the following.

Result of all of this? To me, in the end, or a coup, or euh, nothing spectacular but some people still more unhappy, despaired, believing less and less in politics, trying to find new ways to live. What can give interesting new things but also bad dark ones, because when people are despaired and angry, they use to not be very clever. Anyway, until the economical situation goes better, a more and more divided, fragile and nervous society...

A coup?? Mouhahaha, no! Besancenot would dream on it, and more and more these days, but no. There's not the slightest political move to permit a unification which would give some force to make something like that. That said, radical speeches are more and more in the trends...

Well, no coup, so...

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Didn't the PS itself still sing it until 2006 or 2007?

Hmm, I personally don't really remember, but maybe yes. Until 2006 or 2007? Hey, it could suit with the time where Segolene Royal made them discover La Marseillaise.

Segolene Royal, a Nationalist! Mouhahhaha. The worst being that some, I think it was Jean-Christophe Cambadélis, so not a slight figure of PS, went until saying something like that: "She claims for socialism and for the nation, so some national-socialism, haven't we already hear that?" (refering to nazis of course). Poor socialists, they spend most of their time to lose themselves in poor words.

Currently, it seems that the best opponent to Sarkozy will be the one who will find the best word to qualify him "ego-president", "omni-president", "monarch", etc. Ayrault, Emmanuelli, especially Montebourg, Hollande, they all participate to that so important brainstorming...

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France Inter, news of 1pm:

The oil consumption of France decreased by 2.8% in 2008.

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In other news, the drug addict (Segogo Royal) wants to organize another Fête de la fraternité, where she acts like a retard/druggie in public with her fans.

Don't laugh on her. She's forth. That's our first national televangelist.

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Interestingly, I've been on both websites, the one of the Segolène Royal's movement "Désirs d'avenir", and the one of the PS.

By Segolène Royal, on forums, we find fans who seem to see her as a kind of Messiah, sounds they just wait for her words in order to do what she says, the fact that she's in photo everywhere on it go in that sens.

And, on the PS site... no forums! And not the slightest invitation for the one to express himself. Good for one of the 2 biggest political party of France. They just have a system of comments on their articles, which is currently closed. Plus, the site is messy and the pinky ambiance is awful.

Hell, they really follow a manual to be bad...

(even UMP give more place for debates than them on its site...)

Speaking about the 2nd "Fête de la Fraternité", seems this year it will take a new dimension, Segolène Royal wanna make it a "Social Forum" with all kind of stands for debates, sounds they really wanna make a big thing. That can be serious.

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The NPA is just a temporary name, and we should know the new name by Saturday!

The delegates voted 316-270 to keep the name NPA rather than adopt the name PAR (Revolutionary Anticapitalist Party).

Tinpot name.

NPA was also the abbreviation of a talk-show on "young", urban, liberal (in the US meaning) and quite leftie TV channel Canal +:
"Nulle Part Ailleurs" (= not anywhere else)....

Even among our revolutionaries, marketing isn't far away....

I'm not sure they thought about it. Anyway, that's the second time I hear it, I'm 25 and I personally didn't think about it.

Talking about this name. "Nouveau parti anti-capitaliste". Anti-name. No future. The more they could is making grow the current mess and anger of people.

I'm personally waiting to see what will give the second general strike day, March 19th, if Besancenot makes a good media come back and if Sarkozy doesn't succeed in managing the anger of people, it could be important. A lot want make grow the radical anger, and the PS is just down, Sarkozy's behavior will be very important.

Segolene Royal wants to be in charge of the DOM-TOMs in the PS, in the wake of the massive strikes in Martinique and Guadeloupe.

Her reason: She lived three years in Martinique. 1960-1963, or from age 7 to 10. Now, that's some real experience!

No, no, that's not her reason, and you probably knows that the reason is surely before in your post (underlined).

Once again, if the govt doesn't well manage the thing, risk of spread of those massive strikes to home country are real, and some would certainly love it.

NPA affirms more than ever that really would like a new May 1968, with more self-assurance than they did before.

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Segolene Royal wants to be in charge of the DOM-TOMs in the PS, in the wake of the massive strikes in Martinique and Guadeloupe.

Her reason: She lived three years in Martinique. 1960-1963, or from age 7 to 10. Now, that's some real experience!

No, no, that's not her reason, and you probably knows that the reason is surely before in your post (underlined).

No. She actually boasted her 3 years in Martinique as a reason she should get it.

Yeah, but we both know that's just the official reason. Right?

That said, she dared claiming it for the reason you quoted!

(Luckily it has not a big media noise, otherwise, I wonder how people in French Antilles would appreciate it, those who are in genuine problems).