The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III

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"Braves" was hardly a neutral name to begin with. Ernest is correct; the name "Redskins" was chosen to appeal to fans of both the Boston Braves and the Boston Red Sox.

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"Braves" was hardly a neutral name to begin with. Ernest is correct; the name "Redskins" was chosen to appeal to fans of both the Boston Braves and the Boston Red Sox.

It's also a racist slur.

I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

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Speaking of racism:

It's all just a moronic game.  It's pathetic to watch a white person who can't get their act together blame black people.

As if the opposite doesn't happen all the time.

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Using the term "whore" so loosely is pretty uncalled for.

Lol.  Alright, whatever. 

I'm just saying man, it's pretty bad to use such a negative term to describe someone freely going about expressing their sexuality

I don't see how this is absurd, ignorant or bad. Before I understood that Hockeydude wasn't using the word negatively, I was just saying it's wrong to call someone a "whore" for freely having sex as they please. It's not a bad thing to have sex with whom you please. It's your own decision.

I find the claims that that's a word that can be used without being demeaning ridiculous. It's fine to talk about reclaiming words and whatever, but a male cannot try to positively reclaim a word that is used to demean females.

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The "Two Hundred Families" was a major talking point of the French left at the time when it was led by a guy named Léon Blum. Just throwing this out there...

Yes, the two hundred families of the Bank of France are always what I think of first in this context.

(I realize that might sound sarcastic; it's not.)

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Go back in time and tell Thomas Jefferson by law he has to pay for teens to have condoms for sex.

I was going to put that in the comedy thread

Ha. It could have worked there, too. What a bizarre non sequitur of a post.

That's pretty much what it comes down to though. Sandra Fluke wants us to pay for her to have sex. I mean a woman who wants someone to pay for her to have sex is called a prostitute.

Continuing the great tradition of posting directly into the Deluge, I see.

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Regarding women in 1960:

They weren't shallow enough to only vote for a man for his looks back then.

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My whole problem with this case is trying to feel any sympathy for Treyvon Martin. Treyvon is the epidemy of everything most average Americans hate. "Pothead", "Thug", "Hood", "PULL UP YOUR PANTS!", "Violent temper", "Thief".

When dealing with people like that, regardless of their color, I have zero tolerance. Thus as far as I'm concerned, it was self-defense against a person who was the worst of America.

People always say I'm cold hearted, but I am not. If a woman is walking down the streets and attacked, I feel sympathy for her and want a harsh punishment for her attacker. If the woman was walking down the street to buy meth, well then she did it to herself and I feel no sympathy. See? I don't think that's too far out of the mainstream.

I love how Naso has such little self-awareness that he has no idea how racially coded that whole thing is.

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Snowstalker tells Al about history, disaster ensues.

and beginning the skyrocketing of living standards in Russia

lolno

Of course the USSR never fully caught up with the Western capitalist states, but to say that living standards didn't vastly improve when Russia went red is untrue. Of course, most of the heavy industrialization was under Stalin (who for the record is not a FF).

Lest we forget, Snowstalker literally believes that the Soviet Union and United States were morally equivalent until the 1980s, at which point the deleterious effects of Reaganism destroyed America.

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Granted, I made a stupid post, but I just didn't want to make a less stupid one.

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First, people who abstain until marriage are generally less attractive.

Cite?

They have to stay married because they don't have other options.

Cite?

I'm not citing any empirical data.  I'm just using my knowledge of the world and deductive reasoning. 

Think about this:  People have conscious explanations for their behavior.  I don't steal because it's wrong and the Bible says so, for example.  Easy to say when there are external reasons not to steal like potential punishment or not knowing how to pick a lock.  But, what if that person had tons of easy opportunities every day to steal without any chance of getting caught.  You better believe they're more likely to steal. 

The same goes for sex.  Some people have tons of opportunities to have sex with someone they find attractive.  Take a high SES status, attractive white man living in Manhattan as an example.  They have millions of options.  I bet you that they aren't waiting until marriage.  In contrast, take a poor, ugly, Mexican-American man from Yuma, Arizona.  Not much of a singles scene there and most of the single American women aren't looking for a poor, ugly Mexican dude.  Potentially, he's going to abstain from sex by default.

Then, imagine that both men are married.  Is the guy who found the one woman in Yuma willing to settle for him going to get divorced?  Who has more options to cheat?  Who has the potential to trade up to a more compatible wife? 

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Maybe he doesn't like you because you're a creep?

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John Brown, the greatest American whoever lived.

It's amazing how benconstine is exactly the same moderate hero that he was when he was 14.

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HP even if he made England Protestant

That's a strike against him.

Thats a valid opinion, hardly absurd or ignorant in any  way.

But Snowstalker isn't Catholic. He just constantly extols its superiority for...reasons that I have yet to really hear, even though the Church of England is far more liberal than the Catholic Church and thus closer to his views.

It's because I find the liberal Protestant circlejerk on this forum (particularly your "hipster Christianity") annoying and feel the need to toy with it

Right, because what we need is more jmfcst Christcons like on every other forum.

That's exactly what we need. The Religion board consist almost entirely of liberal Protestants and Dawkinsite atheists.

Personally I think we need more religious people who aren't Christian. Now that would really shake Religion and Philosophy up a bit.

I probably should post more there.

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I was talking about the public perception of each person's music.  Using the N-word makes you sound like an idiot to most people, even if you're black.  It's just something that most people find at least impolite and threatening.  Plus, Kanye is a strange person and he often seems mentally ill, so he gets some flack in the media and criticism world for that.

There's a good deal of racially coded language here.

I probably could have made my point in a less jerk way. I just ing hate that word and I think with good reason.

You're not black. You don't get to pass judgment on it.

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It's easy for white people to not buy into racial boundaries, because white people aren't constrained by racial boundaries.

Essentially, what this comes down to is white people being upset that there's some aspect of society (in this case, the language that black people use among themselves) that white people are unable to control, and consequently taking upon themselves the burden of regulating it. It's really for the blacks' own good, isn't it?

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Again, racism doesn't end when white people decide that it's over. You don't get to determine whether blackness as a concept is out of date; you're not subject to it.

The behavior of white people isn't the responsibility of black artists; if white people decide that it's acceptable to use racial slurs, that's their fault. Meanwhile, your concern that black people's behavior affects how they're perceived by white people is paternalistic at best. Again, you're just making suggestions for the blacks' own good.

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It's great that you have black friends. So do I. You do share a lot of things with them; what you don't share is being defined by your race.

If we can borrow a term from linguistics, whiteness is unmarked; it's the default, and so it's not significant to a white person's identity. Because of that, being white is not analogous to being black, and the parallels you try to draw between not fully understanding the black experience and black people not understanding yours don't work. There is no white experience for black people to understand; white people have no distinct common culture or identity. That's why there's no white equivalent to the N-word; you can pass judgment on black people for using it, but black people can't pass judgment on you, because you're not a member of a marginalized group that would possess such a word.

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IIRC bedstuy is gay and so there is an equivalent he would be able to use if he so chooses (the f-word), but which he disapproves of from the "inside".  I know that this probably sounds a little too much like diversity bingo- but hearing that he disapproves of his own group's slur does give me some measure of confidence that he's at least arguing in good faith, even if I don't agree.

That's a fair point. I certainly might have used harsher language here than I needed to, but I just have a major problem with the idea of white people policing other groups' behavior, even if (and perhaps especially if) it's well-meaning.

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human trash

That is technically impossible by virtue of his lineage.

Cassius is right, in that he was a white person.

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I assume the recent FF voters either haven't read anything about him outside his WWII leadership or actually approve of mass murder and imperialism.

Since when was Churchill a mass murderer?  Last I knew, he led Britain in a war against one.

Since when was Stalin a mass murderer? Last I knew, he led Russia in a war against one.

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This is the problem with liberals.