Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

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1 month?

IMO, it's still too long; I registered very soon after I joined.

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2. Each account must be at least 15 days old before registering to vote.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Twenty_seventh_Amendment_to_the_Second_Constitution

That Amendment looks more and more stupid every time I look at it.

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We need a PPT election now.

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As the person who first came up with the idea, I hope I can get a word in here lengthwise.

I believe I brought up an idea similar to that of Vepres, in that the regions can choose how their representatives are chosen and the length of their terms. It doesn't really matter to me whether they can introduce legislation; it isn't as though the queue is filled to bursting.

When a bill is sent by the Senate to the Council, the Council would have three options. The first would be to approve it, in which case it would be sent to the President. The second would be to reject it, in which case it would be sent to the Senate, which would need a two-thirds majority to send it to the President. The third would be to approve it with modifications, in which case the Senate would take a vote on whether to send it to the President in its original form, which would require a two-thirds majority. If this failed, the Senate could send the edited bill to the President with a simple majority. If the Council were to take none of the described actions within seven days, this would be considered approval.

Just some thoughts.

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As the person who first came up with the idea, I hope I can get a word in here lengthwise.

I believe I brought up an idea similar to that of Vepres, in that the regions can choose how their representatives are chosen and the length of their terms. It doesn't really matter to me whether they can introduce legislation; it isn't as though the queue is filled to bursting.

When a bill is sent by the Senate to the Council, the Council would have three options. The first would be to approve it, in which case it would be sent to the President. The second would be to reject it, in which case it would be sent to the Senate, which would need a two-thirds majority to send it to the President. The third would be to approve it with modifications, in which case the Senate would take a vote on whether to send it to the President in its original form, which would require a two-thirds majority. If this failed, the Senate could send the edited bill to the President with a simple majority. If the Council were to take none of the described actions within seven days, this would be considered approval.

Just some thoughts.

The only question is what if the President vetoes it? Or line-item vetoes it? Can get confusing at that point and those scenarios would need to be hashed out in the Constitution.

A veto would be handled in the same way it's handled today.

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Its a freakin all out assualt on Regional Rights. If the DS wants to preserve the Death penalty that is none of anyone elses businesses. We refused to be governed by the Mideast laws, Franzl. How would you like it if we foisted ours on you? You want war, then war you shall get.

If he considers the death penalty wrong, wouldn't it be wrong everywhere?

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This also runs into fourth wall issues.

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Let it through. It's not as if there's a chance in hell of it passing. It's not like there's a queue that it would impede.

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That's two more times than you ought to have used it.

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Diplomatic recognition ought to be withdrawn from Saudi Arabia (among other places).

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This would be nice.

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Is this necessary?

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How about a ban on office-holding of those on the TrollList?

No.

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Somebody introduce this:

Disunity Act

If a Presidential candidate is a member of a party, his running mate may not be a member of a different party.

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Somebody introduce this:

Disunity Act

If a Presidential candidate is a member of a party, his running mate may not be a member of a different party.

Does this mean VP "must be of same party", or could also be a registered Independent?

The latter.

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Given the number of Cabinet positions being created and the fact that they very greatly in the amount of work required to discharge the duties of the office, perhaps a constitutional amendment could be passed allowing a person to hold multiple Cabinet positions simultaneously. Would someone like to introduce this?

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Immigration Reform Act of 2010:
1) Immigration from the following countries is hereby banned:
-Afghanistan
-Albania
-Algeria
-Azerbaijan
-Bahrain
-Bangladesh
-Brunei
-Burkina Faso
-Chad
-Comoros
-Djibouti
-Egypt
-Guinea
-Indonesia
-Iran
-Iraq
-Jordan
-Kazakhstan
-Kuwait
-Kyrgyzstan
-Lebanon
-Libya
-Malaysia
-Maldives
-Mali
-Mauritania
-Morocco
-Niger
-Nigeria
-Oman
-Pakistan
-Qatar
-Saudi Arabia
-Senegal
-Sierra Leone
-Somalia
-Sudan
-Syria
-Tajikistan
-The Gambia
-Tunisia
-Turkey
-Turkmenistan
-United Arab Emirates
-Uzbekistan
-Yemen
2) Immigrants from these countries who are already legally in the Republic of Atlasia shall not be affected by this legislation.

Is this a joke?

You never can tell with him.

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What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

Why?

I believe it harms us as a practical matter - many people from the countries listed have much to offer in the advancement of science, technology, art, literature, etc.

What is your reason for creating a blanket ban on immigrants from those countries?

I would be willing to accept an amendment to exempt those with college degrees.

In that case, it would fail in its goal of keeping those people out.

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Yes, those people.

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You're helping nobody by being deliberately obtuse.

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Ah, the tested-and-true Libertas school of retorts.

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Given that Libertas is gone, it would seem a good idea for the Senate to expel him.

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It literally could not be any more straightforward.

SECTION 2: ELECTORAL REGULATIONS
1.   All elections to regional offices, including but not limited to the Pacific Council, the Governorship, recall elections, and such, will be opened by the Governor of the Pacificans on the Voting Booth subboard. In an absence of the Governor, the Pacific Justice may open the thread. In a case of “anarchy”, defined as a lack of elections and/or a lack of any comprehensible regional Government, which may be interpreted liberally by the Federal Government at their advisory, the Secretary of Federal Elections (or any equivalent thereof) or the President of Atlasia may designate a Pacific Citizen to open a voting booth for the vacated offices in a time set by one of the designated federal officers.

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The Senate should strongly consider an impeachment and expulsion hearing against "Senator" Xahar for:

1) Willfully violating his oath of office
2) Abuse of power
3) Dereliction of duty
4) Hostility toward the democratic processes of Atlasia

There's no need for scare quotes. No matter how distraught it might make you, I have been duly elected by the electorate of Atlasia to the Senate.