What Should the GOP Do To Appeal To Minorities?

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Seriously, the interests of most minority voters consist of receiving handouts from the government. How can the GOP compete on that level?

First thing the GOP needs to do is get rid of this line of thinking. If you divide the country into an us vs them with the them being minorities always getting "handouts" from hardworking whites....yeah not going to get that many votes. You won't even get the votes of successful Hispanics and Asians, who are even less helped by "handouts" than Whites as a whole.

Overall they just need to have more minority candidates in minority heavy districts, hopefully starting at the local and state levels. The GOP really should be getting close to a majority of the middle class Black vote, but things are a little complicated since the southern strategy happened just a few decades ago. Yet that does not excuse the horrible performance of the GOP amongst Latinos and Asians. Asians as a whole are just as well off as Whites, so why shouldn't the GOP win a majority of their votes? Latinos are certainly more working class, but that doesn't mean the GOP can't win about 40% of their vote. Bush actually ran the perfect campaign to get Latino votes. I don't think he got a lot of the votes of poorer latinos, but he did well among the middle class. Republicans have to compete at that level or they are screwed in the long term.

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The issue of immigration and the internal struggles within the GOP is rather interesting. The vast majority of the party wants to crack down on illegal immigration but those who fund the party want the exact opposite.

The easiest way to crack down on illegal immigration and not cause a backlash amongst Hispanics is to go after the employers.....who basically fund the Republican party. So you can see what the problem is. Also increasing enforcement at the borders is something most people don't have a problem with. But when you start talking about deporting 12 million individuals.......

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The issue of immigration and the internal struggles within the GOP is rather interesting. The vast majority of the party wants to crack down on illegal immigration but those who fund the party want the exact opposite.

The easiest way to crack down on illegal immigration and not cause a backlash amongst Hispanics is to go after the employers.....who basically fund the Republican party. So you can see what the problem is. Also increasing enforcement at the borders is something most people don't have a problem with. But when you start talking about deporting 12 million individuals.......

Why should the employers be punished and not the illegals themselves? The illegals came there illegally, and the employers are just making use of this fact. Also, what is happening with the border fence Bush Jr. signed into law in 2006?

Because the illegals only came here to better their lives and that of their families? Why do people always think that people coming here illegally are part of some mass conspiracy to undermine the laws of the US. There is no system set up for working class people to immigrate to the US, so these people have to go this route. I see no reason at all to punish them.

On the other hand I don't really want to punish business owners. I just want them to follow the law. Most business owners already do, so in effect more enforcement of the law would help them as those companies who don't follow the law don't have an unfair advantage anymore. Furthermore, it's much easier to enforce these laws than stopping every brown person and asking for papeles (not to mention how damn offensive that is).

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The issue of immigration and the internal struggles within the GOP is rather interesting. The vast majority of the party wants to crack down on illegal immigration but those who fund the party want the exact opposite.

The easiest way to crack down on illegal immigration and not cause a backlash amongst Hispanics is to go after the employers.....who basically fund the Republican party. So you can see what the problem is. Also increasing enforcement at the borders is something most people don't have a problem with. But when you start talking about deporting 12 million individuals.......

Why should the employers be punished and not the illegals themselves? The illegals came there illegally, and the employers are just making use of this fact. Also, what is happening with the border fence Bush Jr. signed into law in 2006?

Because the illegals only came here to better their lives and that of their families? Why do people always think that people coming here illegally are part of some mass conspiracy to undermine the laws of the US. There is no system set up for working class people to immigrate to the US, so these people have to go this route. I see no reason at all to punish them.

On the other hand I don't really want to punish business owners. I just want them to follow the law. Most business owners already do, so in effect more enforcement of the law would help them as those companies who don't follow the law don't have an unfair advantage anymore. Furthermore, it's much easier to enforce these laws than stopping every brown person and asking for papeles (not to mention how damn offensive that is).

Wow, you are such a liberal humanitarian. Anyway, you still didn't answer my question about the border fence?

Since you spend all your time inside, I am pretty sure you can find that answer all by yourself, douche.

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The issue of immigration and the internal struggles within the GOP is rather interesting. The vast majority of the party wants to crack down on illegal immigration but those who fund the party want the exact opposite.

The easiest way to crack down on illegal immigration and not cause a backlash amongst Hispanics is to go after the employers.....who basically fund the Republican party. So you can see what the problem is. Also increasing enforcement at the borders is something most people don't have a problem with. But when you start talking about deporting 12 million individuals.......

Why should the employers be punished and not the illegals themselves? The illegals came there illegally, and the employers are just making use of this fact. Also, what is happening with the border fence Bush Jr. signed into law in 2006?

Because the illegals only came here to better their lives and that of their families? Why do people always think that people coming here illegally are part of some mass conspiracy to undermine the laws of the US. There is no system set up for working class people to immigrate to the US, so these people have to go this route. I see no reason at all to punish them.

On the other hand I don't really want to punish business owners. I just want them to follow the law. Most business owners already do, so in effect more enforcement of the law would help them as those companies who don't follow the law don't have an unfair advantage anymore. Furthermore, it's much easier to enforce these laws than stopping every brown person and asking for papeles (not to mention how damn offensive that is).

Wow, you are such a liberal humanitarian. Anyway, you still didn't answer my question about the border fence?

Since you spend all your time inside, I am pretty sure you can find that answer all by yourself, douche.

Yes I know you were being ironic....

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Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

Exactly right. you can't tell me some 94% of the black voting public voted for Obama because of his legislative record.

So why did about 90% of Blacks vote for Kerry and Gore?

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Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

Exactly right. you can't tell me some 94% of the black voting public voted for Obama because of his legislative record.

So why did about 90% of Blacks vote for Kerry and Gore?

I was talking more about the primaries and Obama's race probably did give him several extra % of the black vote in the general election.

Yeah they voted for Obama in the primary because they wanted a black president. Considering there hasn't been one in the over 200 year history of America, I don't think they were in the wrong.

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Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

Exactly right. you can't tell me some 94% of the black voting public voted for Obama because of his legislative record.

So why did about 90% of Blacks vote for Kerry and Gore?

I was talking more about the primaries and Obama's race probably did give him several extra % of the black vote in the general election.

Yeah they voted for Obama in the primary because they wanted a black president. Considering there hasn't been one in the over 200 year history of America, I don't think they were in the wrong.

So racism is okay when blacks do it?

How the hell is that racism?

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How the hell is that racism?

It's racist because because you said that they were voting for someone based on their race.

Some of them (let's remember about 90% of blacks vote for the democrat regardless of race) were voting just to get the first black president. If the first black nominee was Republican, I am guessing he would have got about 25-30% of the black vote.

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How the hell is that racism?

It's racist because because you said that they were voting for someone based on their race.

Some of them (let's remember about 90% of blacks vote for the democrat regardless of race) were voting just to get the first black president. If the first black nominee was Republican, I am guessing he would have got about 25-30% of the black vote.

Actually, he probably would have gotten a strong majority of the black vote if he was perceived to have a chance at victory. Remember, as soon as Obama won Iowa, at least 75% of blacks voted for him in SC, and then over 80% voted for him then on.

Which, BTW, I wouldn't look down on them for doing. The symbolism is a big deal.

Primaries are different from the general election. The black electorate would overwhelmingly disagree with whatever the black nominee for the GOP would want to do. If it was to make him the first black president, sure a lot of them would vote for him but it wouldn't be a majority. And now that Obama has become president, the chance of a black republican nominee getting a large portion of the black vote has gone down.