Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[MaxQue]

Maybe Mulcair can enter provincial politics again

He should never have left.

He was forced out by the provincial leadership of his party.

[MaxQue]

The murderous cult of "Jehovah' Witnesses" killed someone else by denial of blood transfusion, yet no government is ready to take action.

[MaxQue]

The murderous cult of "Jehovah' Witnesses" killed someone else by denial of blood transfusion, yet no government is ready to take action.

Ok I'll bite. What is 'action' in your mind?

Require written authorization for denial of blood transfusion.

[MaxQue]

The murderous cult of "Jehovah' Witnesses" killed someone else by denial of blood transfusion, yet no government is ready to take action.

Ok I'll bite. What is 'action' in your mind?

Require written authorization for denial of blood transfusion.

You mean like this?

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There was a second case this week, where the husband pretended such paperwork was filled too, but nobody can find it.

And, in any case, representatives of religious organisations have no business in an hospital.

[MaxQue]

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You can't be serious.

I'm not talking of prayers or last services for dying people, but in this case, their goal is clearly is not to support the family, but to frighten people in renouncing their freedom of choice and doing as the sect decided ("do as we, or we will report on it and exclude you"). That's pure coercision and that should be clearly banned in hospitals.

[MaxQue]

This may seem like an odd diversion, but what ever happened with the proposed Quebec provincial NDP? There seems to be a huge void for left-wing federalists that could easily be fulfilled by a strong NPDQ.

They announced on October 12 that they are going forward with the idea, there will be a convention in Fall 2017 to elect a permanent leader and adopt a platform.

[MaxQue]

NBNDP leader Dominic Cardy quits after being fragged by the hard left.

Kind of surprised NBNDP even has a hard left. New Brunswick has got to be the least hospitable province for any sort of radical left, except maybe PEI. It has no big cities, no tradition of mining/farmer activism, and no arch-reactionary tradition to antagonize the left.

Well, if you read correctly, there is nothing about the "hard left".

It's just annoying unions who refused a leader who wasn't doing their bidding 100% of time.

[MaxQue]

Internal trade deal reached.

Polling: Nanos has E-Day numbers & Forum 42/36/12, Grits +5 in BC, +21 here & +2 in ON.

I somehow doubt a poll which has Lib+2 in Ontario and NDP on 13% in Quebec.

[MaxQue]

That would be a great chart to stick in instinctive America bashers' faces.

Quite so, although it wold confirm the biases of our instinctive Quebec bashers

The mosque monitoring and headscarf bans are particularly worrying. How on earth can we claim to be 'progressive' and want to monitor minority religions and tell them what to wear?!

Calling the average Quebecois "progressive" is most likely the mistake.

[MaxQue]

The former NDP, then BQ MP for Jonquière, Claude Patry is now a regional leader for a far-right organisation called "La Meute" (The Wolf-Pack).

[MaxQue]

I think the former is more likely, actually. Hard to see the NDP forming government in this province (not until everyone who was of voting age during the Bob Rae premiership dies off), but making seat gains federally? Not at all unlikely.

Funny the number of people in Ontario who will never vote NDP again due to the Bob Rae government, but hardly anybody seems to hold the Dalton McGuinty government against either the provincial or federal liberals.

Helps have the CBC propaganda machine on its side.

[MaxQue]

Could QS become a serious competitor? That would be great.

They will do as they always do, and gain one more seat (Hochelaga-Maisonneuve to be exact). At this rate, they will get a majority government in ~250 years.

With PQ that low, I would expect Lisée to be in danger in Rosemont, and, if Liberals are to lose, it might be possible in Laurier-Dorion (the fact the MLA was expelled for being a sex creep does help them).

[MaxQue]

I love how QS is polling higher among Anglos/Allos than the PQ; twice as high even.  I suppose the PQ is seen as the "separatist party" whereas QS is seen as the "socialist party" despite the two parties being just as committed to sovereignty. 

There is a difference. Soverignty is the goal for PQ, it's a mean to QS (to execute their program).

[MaxQue]

The Alberta Party, if it wants to be seriously effective, needs to ally with the Liberals and the Redford wing of the Progressive Conservatives.

You mean the hilariously corrupt one?

I believe I was rather clearly referring to her ideology.

Isn't her ideology corruption, though?

Well, she had a faction backing her. The centrist one.

[MaxQue]

Hadfield could be the next GG.

Not French. GGs alternate between Anglos and Francos, and I suspect there is also a male, male, female, female tradition emerging as well (has been that way since Jeanne Sauve). So, the next GG will likely be a Francophone man. You up for it, RB?

(ETA: The article mentions the French / English tradition, but fails to mention why Trudeau would abandon it, saying only "The belief however is the new governor-general need not be francophone this time". Umm, ok, why?? )

I think it's implied Hadfield would be too big to pass on and than it's gravita will allow him to pass it easily (even francophones people like him). He can also says he cannot wait 15 years to appoint him (next male anglophone), as he would be old.

[MaxQue]

Suspiciously high. Kenney and Jean probably cooked up numbers.

[MaxQue]

I don't see Albertans winning there. A mix of Jean far-right ideas and PC corruption.

[MaxQue]

Looking through old results, I noticed that the Greens put up great results federally and provincially in Dufferin-Caledon and Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound in the mid 2000's. What was going there? Rural Ontario is not the sort of place where you'd think the Greens would do well.

There is a bit of a hippy scene in this part of the province, (or post-hippy, like organic farming, "artisanal" shops, you know what I mean), even if it's a minority under the surface of typical rural conservatism. Mind you, the way the Greens briefly became the "strategic" progressive party in Bruce-Grey-Owen-Sound was still kind of weird and I don't entirely understand it; the area isn't that green.

A lot of it has to do with the hilly terrain along the Niagara escarpment which is pretty for tourists but not that great for commercial farming: you can see the idea on a topographic map:

Walkerton is in that area, so running on water protection was popular with voters.

[MaxQue]

Morneau is walking back some of the proposed tax changes and is cutting the small business tax rate.

I'm not a fan of the small business tax cut or the original changes, but geez Dippers, this must be killing you watching "progressive" party cutting corporate taxes.

The current NDP policy on small businesses is built around 2 elements:
1. Lowering small businesses tax rate to 9%
2. Lowering the transaction fees businesses have to pay to when a customer uses debit/credit.

[MaxQue]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

[MaxQue]

Proposed cabinet changes
1.Drop Bill Morneau (you're fired biggest loser, get off the island)
2.Move Jim Carr from Natural Resources to Finance (steady performer with a business background)
3.Move Navdeep Bains from Industry (old name) to Natural Resources
4.Move Marc Garneau from Transport to Industry
5.Promote Kevin Lamoureux to Transport
6.Promote Celina Caesar-Chavannes to Small Business and Tourism (Currently held by Bardish Chagger who is also the Government House Leader)

Since finance requires experience, I would promote Ralph Goodale or Scott Brison to it as both are veterans in the house of commons and have strong finance backgrounds.  Obviously keep Chrystia Freeland in foreign affairs as that will be a difficult profile with NAFTA talks and so as one of the stronger performers you want to keep him there.

Brison is a deficit hawk, won't work and Goodale was terribly incompentent as finance minister under Martin.

Considering how strongly the economy is growing I don't think a deficit hawk would be too big a problem and a balanced budget before 2019 would be a pleasant surprise and make it more difficult for the Tories to pull over the Blue Liberals they need to win.  Now if the economy tanks that is a different story, but I suspect even Brison would be fine with a deficit if we go into recession.  The idea of a large deficit may have had some logic when our economy was struggling to reach 1% growth but makes little sense at 3% growth.

My point is than Trudeau wants huge spending and a deficit now and I don't think Brison is interested in defending as Finance minister. Trudeau won't chnage his mind to please Brison, either.

[MaxQue]

The PLQ MLA for Chomedey, Guy Ouellette has been arrested by the anti-corruption unit.

[MaxQue]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

Well, it passed with only 1 vote against.
And you know very well than those "protests" are just screaming insults to patients and employees.

[MaxQue]

Harper betrays Canada, undermine Canada position in NAFTA talks

[MaxQue]

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

You might find it surprising that I oppose the law; I believe it violates freedom of speech.

A little, yes. I took a guess at how the regular posters on this thread would feel, and I was on the fence about you... didn't really know how whether you were a civil liberties absolutist or not, so I couldn't make a proper guess.

Ontario tramples on one our most fundamental liberties by forbidding protests within 50 meters of an abortion clinic.

The measure has been justified by claims that protests intimidate patients using the clinic and employees trying to go to work. I am eagerly waiting for the same logic to be applied to union pickets

Well, it passed with only 1 vote against.
And you know very well than those "protests" are just screaming insults to patients and employees.

Agree with the law, but think politics played a role too.  Wynne is not doing so well in the polls so she is trying everything possible to trip up the PCs.  Since many in the caucus are pro-life and even Brown once was, she was hoping at least some PCs would break ranks and vote against this which didn't happen, only Jack MacLaren who is now in the Trilium Party voted against.

A government (or person for that matter) can't credibly claim to support civil liberties if those civil liberties don't apply to people or policies it finds distasteful. If abortion protesters are really harassing like the bill's proponents claim, then they should be dealt with under existing harassment laws.

Moving onto the politics, yes this was clearly Wynne trying to trip up the PC's, and Brown being disciplined/craven depending on your POV. This is a good reason why I would be a terrible retail politician, as I would have whipped a "No" vote based on civil liberties grounds. I'm not sure who I would vote for if I were in Ontario, probably Trillium/some other fringe party/spoiled ballot depending on the riding.

So, voting against the rights of the Francophones, instead.