Canada General Discussion: Trudeau II

[MaxQue]

Not surprising from the Ontario Bible Belt, alas.

[MaxQue]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/12/sex-offenders-sentence-delayed-so-can-finish-college.html

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Shouldn't there be laws covering this?

Yes. The moment short jail terms are done can be ajusted to allow for work/studies.
The ultimate endgoal is than the person still stay in the society.

[MaxQue]

Good, mainly because I don't think "Canada Summer Jobs" money should not go to churches.

[MaxQue]

Good, mainly because I don't think "Canada Summer Jobs" money should not go to churches.

The churches do a lot of good work that probably can't be easily replaced.  I don't care much for 'but who will think of the children?' arguments, but in this case, they are the ones who would literally be hurt by this heavy handed policy.

Bible Camps are mainly religious indoctrination. Give the money to towns to organise music or science summer camps.

[MaxQue]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/wine-boycott-alberta-british-columbia-trans-mountain-1.4523473

Crazy Alberta Premier bans British Columbia wines.

Hopefully federal NDP wakes up and kick out that oil industry puppet out of the party, with every MLA that refuses to vote her out.

[MaxQue]

Yes, the general opinion around here seems to be he's all talk and no action, but than it's not Harper, at least.

[MaxQue]

Scheer isn't helping himself every time he harps on and on about the Agha Khan, as if anyone south of Queensway cares.

What should he be pushing exactly? Liberal corruption sounds like a winning issue to me.

The issue is than nobody I know thinks of that when they think of Liberal corruption.

[MaxQue]

Trudeau is doing everything to hand the next election to Conservatives. I hope he comes in 3rd place in the next election, where the Neo-Liberals deserve to be.

This isn't really the right place for this discussion, but if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals are 'Neo-Liberals' then the NDP are communists who, if they ever got into power, would turn Canada into the next Venezuela.

This idea that everybody who is to the right of Bernie Sanders have all the same economic views, is no different than the garbage the right wing in the 1970s and the 1980s pulled that there is no difference between a liberal and a communist.

So, if I'm a 'neo-liberal', you're a communist.

What a load of garbage. I'm not a fan of the 'neoliberal' slur myself for a variety of reasons (neoliberalism is a systemic trend following the collapse of the post-war consensus, not a meaningful ideological descriptor), but surely labelling a party whose budget is prepared by the likes of Bill Morneau as such is more reasonable than describing a very moderate party of labour as EVIL COMMIES?

Despite Bill Morneau's association with the CD Howe Institute, his budget's have been in the red liberal tradition.  The government has spent billions on a greatly expanded children's benefit and the government is in the process of implementing carbon taxes.  Compare that to genuine 'neo-liberal' policies of the likes in the U.S of Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell along with the Trump Administration.

The 'neo-Liberal' agenda is largely defined by the so-called 'Washington Consensus', especially, as we see in the United States, cuts to social spending and regulations.

If the Canadian Liberal Party's economic policies, of which it seems you know practically nothing, are going to be placed into some idiotic binary of which it is on the right along with the U.S government of Randian extremists, then the NDP is equally part of this binary and is no different than Chavez in Venezuela or, presumably, Stalin in the old Soviet Union.

Yet, he refuses to stop exempting half the capital gains from taxes and to do anything about doctor incorporation or fiscal paradises.

[MaxQue]

Trudeau is doing everything to hand the next election to Conservatives. I hope he comes in 3rd place in the next election, where the Neo-Liberals deserve to be.

This isn't really the right place for this discussion, but if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals are 'Neo-Liberals' then the NDP are communists who, if they ever got into power, would turn Canada into the next Venezuela.

This idea that everybody who is to the right of Bernie Sanders have all the same economic views, is no different than the garbage the right wing in the 1970s and the 1980s pulled that there is no difference between a liberal and a communist.

So, if I'm a 'neo-liberal', you're a communist.

What a load of garbage. I'm not a fan of the 'neoliberal' slur myself for a variety of reasons (neoliberalism is a systemic trend following the collapse of the post-war consensus, not a meaningful ideological descriptor), but surely labelling a party whose budget is prepared by the likes of Bill Morneau as such is more reasonable than describing a very moderate party of labour as EVIL COMMIES?

Despite Bill Morneau's association with the CD Howe Institute, his budget's have been in the red liberal tradition.  The government has spent billions on a greatly expanded children's benefit and the government is in the process of implementing carbon taxes.  Compare that to genuine 'neo-liberal' policies of the likes in the U.S of Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell along with the Trump Administration.

The 'neo-Liberal' agenda is largely defined by the so-called 'Washington Consensus', especially, as we see in the United States, cuts to social spending and regulations.

If the Canadian Liberal Party's economic policies, of which it seems you know practically nothing, are going to be placed into some idiotic binary of which it is on the right along with the U.S government of Randian extremists, then the NDP is equally part of this binary and is no different than Chavez in Venezuela or, presumably, Stalin in the old Soviet Union.

Yet, he refuses to stop exempting half the capital gains from taxes and to do anything about doctor incorporation or fiscal paradises.

I seem to recall then NDP Finance Critic Alexandre Boulerice supporting the doctors (and others) in the small business tax fight.  So, the NDP are communist neo-liberals, the worst kind.

There was issues with the small business changes, which could have been very bad for small businesses

Major items out of budget day:

1) Five weeks of use it or lose it parental leave for fathers.
2) In time honoured tradition, the Liberals are stealing a policy from the NDP by pledging to implement pharmacare.

Funnily, this amount to exactly 0 in Québec because we already have generous provincial parental leave (financed by a specific payroll deduction, but we pay less federal EI) and we already have Pharmacare since the 70's.

[MaxQue]

There is a bog difference in the NDP number.
Perhaps the Ipsos numbers in Ontario is more for the provincial election than federal numbers.

Nanos always has much lower for NDP than other pollsters (except just before an election) and Nik never hid his comtempt for them.

[MaxQue]

I just had a flash. Why no party (the NDP, for exemple) never ran on a of dismantling communications companies (like Bell)?

Given how much they are hated, this would be a popular policy.

[MaxQue]

Tories next time they get in power should deregulate the media



If CBC is good enough they should be able to handle new competition

Canadian media is very deregulated. Only reason CBC has not much competition is because Bell, Rogers and Quebecor owns the great majority of TV channels. They just bought out the other players.

[MaxQue]

Why hasn't this troll been banned yet?

Don't be rude, this is not a troll, just a Fox News viewer.

[MaxQue]

Wait I thought Beaulieu was a hardcore seperatist, what's his beef with Ouellet?

He considers her management of the crisis to have hurt the party and, as such, is a terrible party leader who brought division into the party.

[MaxQue]

Bit rich from what I remember of his leadership of the party.

To be fair to him, he actually stepped down when he realized it wasn't working well for the party.

[MaxQue]

Angus Reid has released a detailed poll about the Trudeau government's summer job abortion attestation.

The results are decidedly mixed. Opinion of the policy is divided exactly 50/50. When polled further, Canadians generally oppose the attestation when applied to things like churches running a soup kitchen, but support it when applied to political activism (which is fair IMO, so long as it's applied to all political activism).

I was surprised at the relative lack of partisanship on this issue. A large minority of Tory voters support the attestation and large minorities of Liberals and NDP supporters oppose it. I guess there are more pro-choicers absolutists on the right and more civil liberties absolutists on the left than I thought.

There is also a very significant part of Tory voters which are pro-choice.

[MaxQue]

Patrick Brown's being wooed to run for Peel Region mayor but is noncommittal so far. Could be a comeback perch if he ran and won.

Regions do not have mayors. He would be running for chair.

The federal constituency of Manicouagan will likely change name to become Côte-Nord.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1100463/la-circonscription-federale-manicouagan-change-de-nom

Good call. Now if they could only re-name the provincial riding Duplessis to something less offensive.

The issue is than the constituency is named about the touristic region (for historical reasons Côte-Nord is split in two touristic regions; Manicouagan and Duplessis) and the border of both constituencies and touristic regions are similar.

Note they recently merged, but obviously, the names are still used.

[MaxQue]

Notley's skipping the western premiers meeting and will send her deputy because in her words, Horgan's choking the Albertan and national economies.

Can the federal NDP kick her out already?

[MaxQue]

Shameful. Government shouldn't waste out money in Alberta's vanity project.

[MaxQue]

We also got evidence yesterday in the House than Kinder Morgan are tax dodgers. Over the last 3 years, they paid one million in taxes on an income of 360 millions, which is an effective tax rate of 0.3%.

[MaxQue]

Martine Ouellet only get 32% of votes in her confidence vote, is removed as Bloc leader.

[MaxQue]

Leger provincial poll has 37/28/19/9. CAQ leads in almost all regions except, naturally, the West Island.

Some of those regional numbers make no sense, like mine in Abitibi (CAQ 37, PQ 25, QS 15, PLQ 15).

[MaxQue]

Nanos Research poll:

35.3% Lib (+1.2)
33.0% Con (-1.0)
22.0% NDP (+0.8 )
  4.8% Green (-0.6)
  4.1% BQ (-0.3)
  0.8% Others (-0.1)

No bounce, at all, for the Conservatives and a small increase for the NDP. Interesting.

Why the Conservatives should get a boost? They were proven wrong about NAFTA.

[MaxQue]

Nanos Research poll:

35.3% Lib (+1.2)
33.0% Con (-1.0)
22.0% NDP (+0.8 )
  4.8% Green (-0.6)
  4.1% BQ (-0.3)
  0.8% Others (-0.1)

No bounce, at all, for the Conservatives and a small increase for the NDP. Interesting.

Why the Conservatives should get a boost? They were proven wrong about NAFTA.

I though that the Ontario results would give a bounce to both the Conservatives and NDP. I know that the PC and the OLP aren't 100% aligned with the Federal Conservatives and Liberals, but still, Ontario is the biggest province in Canada.

If anything, this should help Liberals, Ontarians loves having different parties in power federally and provincially.

[MaxQue]

Andrew Scheer removes Maxime Bernier from Tory front bench
'I have removed Maxime Bernier from the Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet, effective immediately'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/maxime-bernier-removed-front-bench-1.4703609

Probably a good idea. Twitter spats aren't accomplishing anything for the party.

Official reason is than he continues to attack Trudeau over supply management, while he agreed a few months ago to stop breaking the party line on that issue. Cross-party unity is needed on that question, given Trump's attacks on it, from what I understand.