Update XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules."

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Oh, and Hockey, do not ever criticize someone for acting upon their faith.  That's pretty childish of you to criticize someone for that.  You can criticize the man over immediately suing, purely out of greed, and you can criticize him for making a mockery of his own faith, but you can't criticize him over the actual prayer.  That's just bad manners.

How about these guys?



Can I criticize them?

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Oh, and Hockey, do not ever criticize someone for acting upon their faith.  That's pretty childish of you to criticize someone for that.  You can criticize the man over immediately suing, purely out of greed, and you can criticize him for making a mockery of his own faith, but you can't criticize him over the actual prayer.  That's just bad manners.

How about these guys?



Can I criticize them?

In the words of Obama they did not act in the spirit of Islam.  So, yes, you can criticize them and you should.

Oh ok I get it .

1. You have "Lame Duck Obama"  as your username but yea... go feel free to name drop him to try and prove your point.

2. And I see whenever acting in the name of your religion makes acting in the name of religion look bad then it's not actually acting in the name of religion.  Real convenient, as is everything in these ridiculous mindsets. 

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Let me put an addendum to that.  You should not criticize people who act upon their faith in a peaceful manner...

No, I don't buy that.  When I said "LMAO dumbass religious", yea, that's just a put-on and it's FC board so I'm just ******* around.  But the following sentence, where I said he SHOULD be thanking the cooks and farmers, yea, there's a grain of seriousness there.  If I want to criticize religious faith I'm allowed to for any reason I see fit, especially when I can demonstrate displaced gratitude.  This is America, Bushie.  I'm allowed to offend whoever the **** I want.  

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Hockey, serious question, did you have a bad day?  You seem to have been awfully uptight and short about a lot of things all day.  I understand if you did, and I'm not criticizing you for it because I know exactly how you feel.  You're normally not this irritable.

No, I had a fine day.  I'm just bored. 

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Let me put an addendum to that.  You should not criticize people who act upon their faith in a peaceful manner...

No, I don't buy that.  When I said "LMAO dumbass religious", yea, that's just a put-on and it's FC board so I'm just ******* around.  But the following sentence, where I said he SHOULD be thanking the cooks and farmers, yea, there's a grain of seriousness there.  If I want to criticize religious faith I'm allowed to for any reason I see fit, especially when I can demonstrate displaced gratitude.  This is America, Bushie.  I'm allowed to offend whoever the **** I want. 

The part about thanking the farmers and cooks, absolutely he should.  He should thank both God and anybody and everybody who had a hand in providing him a hot meal.

Well, that's good that you feel this way.  Unfortunately a lot of people don't and wind up treating their fellow man like crap.  I think a lot of people use the concept of god so they feel grateful without ever displaying any gratitude towards anybody. 

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I will have one cheat meal Friday night when we fix homemade pizza (the stuff that Phil loathes).

Chef Boyardee pizza in a box?

Yep

Why don't you just order out or is making the pizza part of the... (as this box puts it)



...EASY FAMILY FUN!!!

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I will have one cheat meal Friday night when we fix homemade pizza (the stuff that Phil loathes).

Chef Boyardee pizza in a box?

Yep

Why don't you just order out or is making the pizza part of the... (as this box puts it)



...EASY FAMILY FUN!!!

It tastes better than ordering out.  And, yes, all three of us help fix it.

Yea, I'm sure it might taste better than Domino's, Papa John's, or some other garbage.  I was talking about getting pizza from a real pizza place. 

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Chef Boyardee is "homemade?" If you like it, fine, whatever, but homemade? Srsly?

The box doesn't even say "homemade".  Bushie added that.  LMAO. 

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

It's actually quite fun doing it.  All three of us have a good time doing it and it provides good family time.  It's a great way to get out from in front of the TV and get into the kitchen and do something together as a family that doesn't cost very much.  The results are delicious, too.  My family has enjoyed this activity since the 1980's.

Yea... The 80s.  When you were a toddler.  You are 33, dude.  Cut the damn cord.

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

It's actually quite fun doing it.  All three of us have a good time doing it and it provides good family time.  It's a great way to get out from in front of the TV and get into the kitchen and do something together as a family that doesn't cost very much.  The results are delicious, too.  My family has enjoyed this activity since the 1980's.

Yea... The 80s.  When you were a toddler.  You are 33, dude.  Cut the damn cord.

It's still a fun activity.  Some things you just don't want to give up.  Nostalgia is good sometimes, especially when you can relive it.  It sure is a lot tastier than going to Domino's, Pizza Hut, Mazzio's, Papa Johns, etc.

I recall have lots of fun in Kindergarten. However, for obvious reasons, I have forsaken reliving that halcyon experience of yesteryear.

1. Bushie doesn't do anything beyond PG rated.  Bars, strip clubs, parties, wine tasting, concerts... Everything is off limits.  So I guess pizza time with the fam is all that's left.

2. Bushie, "family time" is far more oft than "sometimes" for you.  You so rarely do leisure activity sans family that it becomes a momentous Update episode when you do.

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http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/01/chef-boyardee-pizza-kit-pizza-yes-its-still-available.html

Ugh Lief, please.  I just had lunch.

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

It's actually quite fun doing it.  All three of us have a good time doing it and it provides good family time.  It's a great way to get out from in front of the TV and get into the kitchen and do something together as a family that doesn't cost very much.  The results are delicious, too.  My family has enjoyed this activity since the 1980's.

Yea... The 80s.  When you were a toddler.  You are 33, dude.  Cut the damn cord.

It's still a fun activity.  Some things you just don't want to give up.  Nostalgia is good sometimes, especially when you can relive it.  It sure is a lot tastier than going to Domino's, Pizza Hut, Mazzio's, Papa Johns, etc.

I recall have lots of fun in Kindergarten. However, for obvious reasons, I have forsaken reliving that halcyon experience of yesteryear.

1. Bushie doesn't do anything beyond PG rated.  Bars, strip clubs, parties, wine tasting, concerts... Everything is off limits.  So I guess pizza time with the fam is all that's left.

2. Bushie, "family time" is far more oft than "sometimes" for you.  You so rarely do leisure activity sans family that it becomes a momentous Update episode when you do.

I do enjoy going to Christian concerts.  One of my favorite concerts to go to each year is Winter Jam, which is a conglomeration of about 10 different Christian bands and a guest speaker.  Thousands of people, most of them under 40, flock to this event.  It tours in many cities across the country including Tulsa and Oklahoma City.  I missed the concert this year, but I do want to go next year.  I also go to individual band Christian concerts, as well.  They have a lot of concerts throughout the spring, summer, and fall in Tulsa either at the BOK center or at the Mabee Center on the Oral Roberts University campus.  I want to go to a concert one of these days, but I don't want to go alone.  That would just be awkward...

Christian concerts?  Jesus... (Literally and figuratively)  I guess that's better than nothing.

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TW: footage of chef boyardee pizza being made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4TmfwACfuk

Warning NSFW.

That video is actually not that bad, compared to another one I found...

NSFL, DO NOT CLICK, I WARNED YOU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g15rYlelZs

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Damn, Bushie is a hip cat. Going to concerts where most of the people are under 40 years old.

Pics from a real hum-dinger in Tulsa last spring.



"Tulsa!  Are you ready to rock?"

"You betcha your gosh darn rear ends we are!"

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

It's actually quite fun doing it.  All three of us have a good time doing it and it provides good family time.  It's a great way to get out from in front of the TV and get into the kitchen and do something together as a family that doesn't cost very much.  The results are delicious, too.  My family has enjoyed this activity since the 1980's.

Yea... The 80s.  When you were a toddler.  You are 33, dude.  Cut the damn cord.

It's still a fun activity.  Some things you just don't want to give up.  Nostalgia is good sometimes, especially when you can relive it.  It sure is a lot tastier than going to Domino's, Pizza Hut, Mazzio's, Papa Johns, etc.

I recall have lots of fun in Kindergarten. However, for obvious reasons, I have forsaken reliving that halcyon experience of yesteryear.

1. Bushie doesn't do anything beyond PG rated.  Bars, strip clubs, parties, wine tasting, concerts... Everything is off limits.  So I guess pizza time with the fam is all that's left.

2. Bushie, "family time" is far more oft than "sometimes" for you.  You so rarely do leisure activity sans family that it becomes a momentous Update episode when you do.

I do enjoy going to Christian concerts.  One of my favorite concerts to go to each year is Winter Jam, which is a conglomeration of about 10 different Christian bands and a guest speaker.  Thousands of people, most of them under 40, flock to this event.  It tours in many cities across the country including Tulsa and Oklahoma City.  I missed the concert this year, but I do want to go next year.  I also go to individual band Christian concerts, as well.  They have a lot of concerts throughout the spring, summer, and fall in Tulsa either at the BOK center or at the Mabee Center on the Oral Roberts University campus.  I want to go to a concert one of these days, but I don't want to go alone.  That would just be awkward...

Christian concerts?  Jesus... (Literally and figuratively)  I guess that's better than nothing.

HockeyDude, I know that this isn't what Bushie means, and I know that what I'm about to describe would probably still not be your cup of tea, but would you have any more respect for the kind of Palestrina recitals and St Matthew Passion-type stuff that I sometimes go to?

Of course, because those things are not purporting or pretending to be ROCK concerts.

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

It's actually quite fun doing it.  All three of us have a good time doing it and it provides good family time.  It's a great way to get out from in front of the TV and get into the kitchen and do something together as a family that doesn't cost very much.  The results are delicious, too.  My family has enjoyed this activity since the 1980's.

Yea... The 80s.  When you were a toddler.  You are 33, dude.  Cut the damn cord.

It's still a fun activity.  Some things you just don't want to give up.  Nostalgia is good sometimes, especially when you can relive it.  It sure is a lot tastier than going to Domino's, Pizza Hut, Mazzio's, Papa Johns, etc.

I recall have lots of fun in Kindergarten. However, for obvious reasons, I have forsaken reliving that halcyon experience of yesteryear.

1. Bushie doesn't do anything beyond PG rated.  Bars, strip clubs, parties, wine tasting, concerts... Everything is off limits.  So I guess pizza time with the fam is all that's left.

2. Bushie, "family time" is far more oft than "sometimes" for you.  You so rarely do leisure activity sans family that it becomes a momentous Update episode when you do.

I do enjoy going to Christian concerts.  One of my favorite concerts to go to each year is Winter Jam, which is a conglomeration of about 10 different Christian bands and a guest speaker.  Thousands of people, most of them under 40, flock to this event.  It tours in many cities across the country including Tulsa and Oklahoma City.  I missed the concert this year, but I do want to go next year.  I also go to individual band Christian concerts, as well.  They have a lot of concerts throughout the spring, summer, and fall in Tulsa either at the BOK center or at the Mabee Center on the Oral Roberts University campus.  I want to go to a concert one of these days, but I don't want to go alone.  That would just be awkward...

Christian concerts?  Jesus... (Literally and figuratively)  I guess that's better than nothing.

HockeyDude, I know that this isn't what Bushie means, and I know that what I'm about to describe would probably still not be your cup of tea, but would you have any more respect for the kind of Palestrina recitals and St Matthew Passion-type stuff that I sometimes go to?

Of course, because those things are not purporting or pretending to be ROCK concerts.

Yeah, I mean, I'm the first to admit that my taste in rock music is kind of old-person-y--Mark Knopfler, stuff of that nature--but for Christ's sake, at least it is, in fact, rock music.

I like classic rock.  Queen, Floyd, Yes, Beatles, Zep... Not exactly young people's music.  But these "Christian rock" concerts, with everyone sipping root beer and lemonade and swaying their hands in the air and keeing off everyone but their spouse... Rock to me is wiling out, free love, getting ****hammered, sticking your midde finger to everything establishment and everything that raised you and saying **** YOU!  The Christian shows can call it what they want but it's not rock.

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If you say so. It just really is unbelievable that a family really could enjoy that pizza over others. Chef Boyardee themselves market it just as a fun activity to do with kids as opposed to a real meal competing with actual pizza

Bushie still eats Lunchables. I haven't had one of those since I was 12.

The pizza Lunchables are a unique foodstuff that I actually enjoy.  It's not pizza nor does it taste like pizza, but rather some weird artificial creation beyond the human "soul". 

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Is anyone truly shocked by the behavior of these SAE douches? I mean, I understand they're saying some pretty terrible sh[inks], and since it was captured on video, they're essentially representing the University ... but come on.

This is how ALL frat douches act. They may not say the n-word, but guaranteed they're douching it up being exclusionary against SOMEONE. THAT'S WHAT FRATERNITIES ARE ... exclusionary organizations. Certain people don't make it in ... could be money, could be looks, could be race, could be religion. They exclude based on SOMETHING in each and every case. Hell, historically black fraternities don't have a hell of a lot of white people, either. Do they say some sh[inks] behind closed doors that people would be "shocked" by?

Yeah, probably so.

So while these douches are particularly vile because of the sh[inks] they were saying ... which, for the record, I can't defend other than it being technically protected speech ... they are representing every single fraternity's essential, core behavior.

This shouldn't surprise anyone.

You live out in Kansas, J-Mann.  I'm sure the fraternities out there are just the worst.  I was in a fraternity at Rutgers Camden and yes we absolutely drank like degenerates but we had blacks and browns and whites and gays and straights...  And we did everything we could to include people who seemed to have a genuine interest in frat life.  We didn't exclude anyone who legitimately wanted to join and give back. 

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I don't know guys. I find grocery stores and grocery store patrons have a higher tolerance for incompetent disabled employees.

[redacted] will probably move him from meat to bag boy to grocery cart collector before finally escorting him off the premises.

What's the image everyone gets when Bushie is escorted away from a job? 

I see this...

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Um... I think you would know better than to tar all with one brush.

I have never done ANY-THING that I (nor anyone else) would call reprehensible - sure I've done stupid things that I wouldn't want on YouTube, but they certainly were self-inflicted acts of stupidity that didn't involve belittling, attacking, assaulting or offending anyone. I'd urge against suggesting, even in passing, that I would or have.

As I said, this was not your standard frat, I was asked by 'those types' to join and refused, for those exact reasons. For the record, there was no binge-drinking, none of the stereotypical parties, no cruising around for women to take advantage of. It was multi-racial, multi-faith, lots of different socio-economic backgrounds, gay and straight etc etc.

Of the number of bids I received, it was the only one that seemed to fit my own sensibilities and views, ie not your typical frat.

As I said, mine was highly unusual, considering I saw a guy get punched out of a window from another house across the park. I didn't live in the house, but I spent my nights there playing poker, playstation and bags and the only drinking was an occasional game of beer-pong. The binge-drinking and total stupidity came from living in graduate apartments with other foreign students.

Yeah, there are tons of things I've done I wouldn't want on Youtube. I'm going to guess that's true for the vast majority of humanity. Congratulations, you've got me there.

In regards to your comments on overall behavior--embarrassing the school at sporting events, acting like pretentious pricks around other campus groups, or whatever--again, I'm speaking from what I believe to be an atypical experience. My chapter has been involved in representing the school through student orientation for as long as I'm aware. My freshman year, our president was the student director of orientation, and another brother will be leading it this year. Four out of five candidates for Student Government Association executive positions were Greek, all three fraternities will likely have some level of power in SGA's senate or leadership next year. In regards to other chapters at my school, there's obviously going to be a range that spans from incredibly atypical characters (like a guy in my chapter who's a junior who has drunk maybe once) to all sorts of degenerates that give members of the leadership (myself) constant headaches. While my chapter's not the best example of "diversity", no Greek organizations are all white. The president of our next door neighbors the semester I rushed is gay and very involved in Greek Life on campus.

Yeah, this is all anecdotal and specific to my school. A larger school with a larger Greek Life is probably going to be a lot more dominated by stereotypes of guys who are "legacies", involved in the Young Republicans, rich to sh#t, very "bro"-ish, and so on. An obvious example is the one cited in this thread. However, off-color jokes and talking about a sorority member's breast size is by no means going to be specific to fraternities. If that were the case, it would be a very civil society that we live in indeed. If your point is that exclusionary groups are going to foster a less-than-ideal mindset in regards to "out" groups, I guess that's not entirely deniable. It's also going to foster a sense of in-group loyalty that I view as, in many ways, constructive--granting people a smaller, more palpable community than their larger university that they can work to actively build and support. While that's not the view of it that everyone takes--I'd be f#cking glad if other members of my organization had a more serious sense of actually contributing to the organization--that's the direct effect it's had for me. And if I say the word "geeds" on occasion, okay, whatever. I was already an asshole before I joined, as opposed to an asshole who's forced to go to community service events and has an incentive to perform competently in leadership roles.

I have no idea if anything I said was coherent, but whatever.

I owe you both an apology for being harsh ... most likely a reaction to the BS I'd heard about this while listening to the radio yesterday and hearing caller after caller say how terrible SAE was and then defend their same organizations as "different" than all the others. That irritates me because it portrays the SAE douches as something out of the ordinary ... and behaviorally, they're not.

My point is, a lot of behaviors that happen in general can be exacerbated inside an exclusive group. And those exacerbated behaviors often have negative tones in fraternities or sororities. There's nothing shocking about the SAE behavior at all.

I'll admit, some of the fraternity songs we have sung on the bus on the way to formal in the past would be... how do you say... less than flattering to those of the female persuasion.  Fraternities have certainly come a long way but they still have a long way to go.  None of us are perfect angels. 

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Bushie, what do you think of Michelle Obama's "Let's Move" program?

Also, would you eat the chicken in a can?

It's certainly no place for no woman (much less a darkie) to be tellin' us what to be eatin' and when to be exercisin'.  Only food job Mooshelle Hussien Obummer got is to make sure Barack chicken good and crispy.  

And Bushie would obviously love a homemade delicacy like chicken in a can.  

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I don't think Bushie would go for the canned chicken. It doesn't emerge ready to eat or throw in a microwave. Bushie is all about the convenience. If convenience food is gross, that's ok but being gross is not by itself interest Bushie.

He does the Chef Boy-are-dee pizza kits with Ma and Pa.  I think preparing chicken in a can could be a fun family activity for his upcoming 5-day vacation from farting on his couch in Tulsa. 

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Things just got real, folks! I go in this Monday, March 16, 2015 at 8:00 to fill out my new hire paperwork, get my work schedule, and my uniform shirts. Orientation is Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:00. Yes, that call finally happened!! Most importantly, I'm still a part of the Sprouts-Owasso team.

I hope they have your size, Bushie.

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I don't think Mama Bushie wants her son working anywhere. She's just an unpleasant negative type who will find a problem with any job Bushie could find. In a lot of ways, Mama Bushie is the Update's primary antagonist.

I wouldn't say that, but she is definitely Update's Skyler White.

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I don't think Mama Bushie wants her son working anywhere. She's just an unpleasant negative type who will find a problem with any job Bushie could find. In a lot of ways, Mama Bushie is the Update's primary antagonist.

I wouldn't say that, but she is definitely Update's Skyler White.

IIRC, Skyler didn't typically encourage Walt to make bad decisions. I'm not even sure why so many people hated her so much. I thought she was one of the more likable characters. In any case, when Walt decided to do something crazy, you'd better believe it was his own Inksing decision. Bushie has to have a family meeting where Mama has a say.

Oh c'mon, memph.  Pa is obviously the judge, jury, and executioner of Game Plans.