An initial vote on a constitution

[dunn]

I think we should get a little orgnized here and befor choosing a final version we have to agree on some basics.
I call for registered voters only to vote here on these questions and ask The AFDNC  and AFRNC to keep an eye on the votings.

I suggest we first vote on this:

1. A uni or bi-camereal house
2. PV or EV and (later maybe) if an EV which one
3. How many regions (4-7) and do we need an i'ntl region
4. Governors - yes or no
5. Supreme court - yes or no

Then we can work on a final draft. I think 72 hours voting period is enough and ask the President or veep and the parties leaders to comment.

[dunn]

I think we should get a little orgnized here and befor choosing a final version we have to agree on some basics.
I call for registered voters only to vote here on these questions and ask The AFDNC  and AFRNC to keep an eye on the votings.

I suggest we first vote on this:

1. A uni or bi-camereal house
2. PV or EV and (later maybe) if an EV which one
3. How many regions (4-7) and do we need an i'ntl region
4. Governors - yes or no
5. Supreme court - yes or no

Then we can work on a final draft. I think 72 hours voting period is enough and ask the President or veep and the parties leaders to comment.

I vote:
1. one chamber
2. EV, thr progressive way
3. 6 regions (12 senators)
4. no
5. yes

[dunn]

1. Unicameral Senate (could also be called Congress)
2. Electoral Votes by Senate Regions
3. 5 US Regions + 1 International Region: 12 Senators
4. No
5. Aye

The Chairman of the Progressive Party has not yet indicated whether he supports international regions; I call on him to do so.

I do not see how it can pass and even American abroad votes count as there own state. so no, even though I am not an american, I do not support it

[dunn]

This is not a ballot, yet. If I'm able to cast 4 votes and wait on one I'll do this:

1. Unicameral until enough members
2. (undecided)
3. 5 US + 1 Int'l
4. Yes
5. Yes

Otherwise I'll delete this post.

it's no problem

[dunn]

whats a pv opossed to a Electoral Vote, I kinda like the idea of a foreign region

Popular vote or electoral

try vote on all (or most) issues

[dunn]

i am going to now i just wanted to clear that up

good

[dunn]

1 more thing lol is a unicameral just 1 house and bi is 2 houses (ie senate and house)

yes

[dunn]

1. A uni or bi-camereal house
2. PV or EV and (later maybe) if an EV which one
3. How many regions (4-7) and do we need an i'ntl region
4. Governors - yes or no
5. Supreme court - yes or no.

that's not saying much Peter....

[dunn]

5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

just call him a judge....

[dunn]

Int'l regions are a bad idea because they already have chosen a US state (and can use that) and all of the Int'l members here seem to lean to the left -- that's not very fair for republicans)

true

[dunn]

5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

just call him a judge....

No, because they would run the game, by posting events, keeping track records, and having basic control over enforcing the rules. I think our judiciary, if we have one, ought to consst of a member of all parties, plus the Moderator, and possibly Dave too.

Dave, I think is too busy. He is our god y'know, the ultimative judge

[dunn]

1. Uni
2. PV
(the only EV proposal I know that is at all acceptable is the Progressive Party's, therefore the order of voting forces me to vote PV here)
3. 5 Regions
4. no
5. yes, 3-member

If Governors and Representatives have no constitutional rank, that makes it possible for people without an office to just call themselves governors, as they did during the first election campaign.

Right.

[dunn]

We seem to have progressed, but not sufficiently to reach a formal decision. Therefore, I think that the Convention's first vote should be on the nature of the legislature. If there are no objections, then I will open a new thread for the purpose of creating a formal vote on the matter, and within some number of days, if there is support, then we can consider the proposal in question to be officially adopted by this Convention.

I've changed my mind on this matter. It seems that the present vote is already a formal one, and that it has a 72-hour voting period, which expires at about 7:30 pm on March 10.

true indeed

[dunn]

Everyday day to day issues among the region. I think that locally the Governors can have authority within the confines of the region but at a Federal level the power is less then nothing.

What exactly are these day to day issues in this fantasy environment - we're not trying to mimic reality exactly here - just provide a fun facsimile

VERY GOOD POINT! I've been trying to hint this for some time now...

me too

[dunn]

The time limit having expired, the results are:

Question 1: Unicameralism v. Bicameralism
For Unicameralism (12):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For Bicameralism (3):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)

Question 2: Popular v. Electoral Votes
For PV (9):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For EV (5):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- supersoulty (R-PA)

Question 3: Regions
5 US + 0 Intl (7):
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
6 US + 0 Intl (2):
- dunn (I-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
5 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Beet (D-MD)
5 US + 2 Intl (2):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
6 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Justin (R-NH)

Question 4: Governors
For Governors (9):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against Governors (6):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)

Question 5: Supreme Court
For a Court (15):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against a Court (0)

Therefore, the decisions are:
1. Unicameral Congress
2. Popular Vote
3. 5 Us + 0 Intl
4. Governors (Yes)
5. Supreme Court (Yes)

my friend, the vote last another 24 hours....do not call it too early

[dunn]

my friend, the vote last another 24 hours....do not call it too early

Hmm... Well, Gustaf seemed to have thought, along with me, that the vote ends today, as evidenced by his post earlier. My apologia to the others.

It gave us the picture so far, it's a good thing

[dunn]

at least 2 people expressed their vies that they want ev but in the progressive way , and b/c they were not sure which way will prevail they voted PV .
I think thr question I asked was not well put. we shouls discuss it before finalizing the constitution

[dunn]

we lost on 2 important issues Lewis, won 2 though

[dunn]

Am I the only one to find it reasonable to have a run-off vote between the top 2 alternatives in those cases where there were more than 2 options? The regions expecially...I would even propose a system like the one used for election of the British Tory leader: the alternative with the least votes gets dropped before the next round of votin until there is only one left.

you are not alone Gustaf

[dunn]

Am I the only one to find it reasonable to have a run-off vote between the top 2 alternatives in those cases where there were more than 2 options? The regions expecially...I would even propose a system like the one used for election of the British Tory leader: the alternative with the least votes gets dropped before the next round of votin until there is only one left.

you are not alone Gustaf

Good then.

[dunn]

you should apologize Gustaf .......no just kiddind


but I think Lewis is right

[dunn]

I consider that we should increase size of Senate in the future, if number of forum members is increased.

With huge amount of members I can see also House of Representatives functioning.

And I agree that people without avatar should not be allowed to participate.

if so we should go back to the progressive draft of ev by states