Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, since I am sure that they have been appended to other bills, would the sponsors consider withdrawing the Labor Rights Act and the DoEA Atkins Act?

Thank You!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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I am Senator in a party, whose chairman is being appointed to a cabinet position and is currently deeply embattled, by a President of the same said party who is also in dire straits at present over the same issue and also has appointed someone else to an entirely different position that is knocking on heaven's door as well for activity reasons. So the best thing possible for me to do to help them as that party's only Senator, is to introduce an executive power grab that would eliminate the need for confirmation hearings? What a brilliant strategy.

Not to mention that it is a horrible policy that BK would be waved into the AG's office, considering he is about to set a record for unanimous rejection vote, the same way he set a record for voting for his own expulsion last fall.

When I first ran for the Senate, there was a former President who got waved through, took offense that someone dared ask him about, you know, doing his job. Then he did nothing, except try to seize control of the gov't. We need tougher, more hard core confirmation hearings, with kickass questions. We should be water boarding those SOB's every time they dare ask us for their trust to serve in a cabinet capacity.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No party chairman has been nominated for a Cabinet position Mr. PPT.

I thought Griffin was Labor Chairman. Or are you considering the GM as seperate from the cabinet here?

I was speaking from Snowstalkers perspective in a sarcastic fashion to illustrate the counterproductive effect of his amendment being offered at this point in time. It doesn't have to match the situation 100% to the details to accomplish, because I am not Snowstalker nor am I labor. The point I was making is that he is undermining his own party's nominee and Presidnet with the Amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No party chairman has been nominated for a Cabinet position Mr. PPT.

I thought Griffin was Labor Chairman.

I was speaking from Snowstalkers perspective in a sarcastic fashion to illustrate the counterproductive effect of his amendment being offered at this point in time.

Gm is not a cabinet position and would be unaffected by the proposed amendment.

He is still restricting Senate oversight over a large number of appointees at a time when several are questionable and thus illustrating the importance of what he is removing.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

But since we are being overly technical, I am not the PPT at present, just so you know.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Naw I don't reckon I will. If he wants to pursue a debate over destroying checks and balances I feel obligated to bring it to the floor as long as:

1. The amendment is functional in that it achieves his desired objective.
2. Is not frivolous (I hardly call destroying democracy a frivolous matter).
3. It is not Unconstitutional (It can't be for obvious reasons).

To do otherwise would require me to abuse this power based of personal bias and I won't be one to do that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh, you meant the War thing. Yea that is nuts.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Senate_History

Nix has it the other way around in here.

It really only matters with regards to you changing a predecessors vote and I think we have already gotten past all such potentiallities without controversy on the matter.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well I was speaking in terms of Senate functionality, not the wiki consideration. But yeah, it would be advisable to resolve this sooner than latter.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Can you be more specific? Is something missing from the introduction thread?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If the President posted it in his thread it should have been introduced. If one got missed, I would have anticipated that Marokai would bitch about it until it got introduced and I would gladly introduce it for him just to ease his state of mind. I know I introduced some of them, myself like the Parties Amendment and the Libertas thing.

Maxy you are tight with the President, why don't you contact him about this and if there is a stituation here, get it introduced for him.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If the President posted it in his thread it should have been introduced. If one got missed, I would have anticipated that Marokai would bitch about it until it got introduced and I would gladly introduce it for him just to ease his state of mind. I know I introduced some of them, myself like the Parties Amendment and the Libertas thing.

Maxy you are tight with the President, why don't you contact him about this and if there is a stituation here, get it introduced for him.

The President is currently on leave from Atlasia, you're quite aware of that.
Anyways, I don't remember any bill on that subject being posted. It was in the campaign platform of the Marokai/Duke ticket, through, but no bill has been published on the subject for the moment.

Actually I just assumed Duke had finally done away with him and seized control of the country.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm sorry, but as it's been a while since my last Senate tenure, do things are always that slow? It's seems we're in a very slow mode.

I think than the PPT is having computer problems, which cause delays. Indeed, it's very slow.

That's a shame, since Yankee is basically holding the Senate for years.

The computer is working for now (started working mysteriously on Friday) but I wasn't able to get back on the site yesterday like I had planned because a downloaded ran over and I had to get off the line.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was going to wait until you asked me questions, but I thought these posts in the analysis thread were very interesting:

I'm sorry, but as it's been a while since my last Senate tenure, do things are always that slow? It's seems we're in a very slow mode.

I think than the PPT is having computer problems, which cause delays. Indeed, it's very slow.

Because you guys are saying we should all be impeached for the same reason, essentially. Should the entire Senate be impeached, too? Just food for thought.

I would point out that I have two backup computers (my mother and my fathers) and there has rarely has there been an occassion that I did not get on at least once every other day and update the Senate.  I even came on during my birthday and delayed opening my gifts to get the job done in the Senate. I came on Friday and did likewise. I came on Saturday morning and there was only two or three posts in the whole board in Senate threads and thus I elected to delay until the afternoon, by which time a storm forced me off the line and to shut the machine down. The weather has been terrible down here. I would crawl over lava to get this job done.

The cause of the Senate being slow, is the members at-large, and the failure of my procedural requests to be answered in a timely manner and the failure of the administration to keep their dedicated slots filled, in spite of communications to responsible members of said institution, on my birthday, once again. I would guess that the absence of the President is partially responsible for this lapse, of course.


As for Kalwejt's OSPR amendment it is something that I have wanted for years. I might desire some minor alterations, but in general I support reducing the number of days on the Dean. That would also facilitate the start of the Senate in case the VP doesn't do his job, the Dean could thus be free to start the Senate by like Sunday, instead of the next Wednesday.

I would point how that the VP already has complete authority over the Senate and can withdraw and regrant authority to the PPT as he chooses since it is his power delegated to an officer of the Senate. Therefore he has the complete authority to fill in the gaps as he show decides, regardlesso f length of absence of the PPT.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think the Judiciary is the responsible committee, thought the GOR could possibly step in since they are occupied at the moment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have contacted the Justice committee chair if it's the appropriate committee.    

I answered you on that, but I doubt it's in the Judiciary committee powers anyways, unless it's considered related to regional law enforcement, which I doubt.

Anyways, the committee is busy until next Suday, we already are in the impeachment hearings of the Supreme Court Justices (which weren't my choice).

Is it not a legal matter by nature? As I said, we could possible take over for the Judiciary since we are only minimally engaged at present, provided the members agree of course.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have contacted the Justice committee chair if it's the appropriate committee.     

I answered you on that, but I doubt it's in the Judiciary committee powers anyways, unless it's considered related to regional law enforcement, which I doubt.

Anyways, the committee is busy until next Suday, we already are in the impeachment hearings of the Supreme Court Justices (which weren't my choice).

Is it not a legal matter by nature? As I said, we could possible take over for the Judiciary since we are only minimally engaged at present, provided the members agree of course.

Well, even if it's the job of the Judiciary Committee, I'm not sure it would be worthwhile to study the question. What can we do after that? We can't amend the Pacific Constitution, we can't abroge the degree and I doubt anyone wants to impeach the President over that.

I wasn't opining on the merits of the issue, just the practicalities of who should review the matter if it is considered to be of concern.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When I read over it for the first time, my first thought was the "Democrats Abroad" primary or whatever it was called from back in 2008.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You people are running on a fake time imposed on you by Woodrow Wilson, known as Daylight Savings Time. This is not mentioned in the constitution of Atlasia and the terms are stated as starting at Noon Eastern Standard Time.

You push your clocks forward in the spring and back in the fall. Therefore throughout the summer you are running an hour ahead of "Standard time". For those on the east coast, EST becomes EDT. We run on EST all year long in the Senate.

Why? You ask? The reason is simple. Unlike elections, which are one off things. The Senatei s constantly running. If we changed our times, it would mess up the bill times, vote lengths and such for every bill that was on the floor when the transition occurred.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So yes, swear in again, lest someone get pissed about that 5-5 tie subsequently broken in your favor by DemPGH next month, and then that someone sues claiming you as one of the Ayes was never a Senator. It would probably be tossed out, but if we were to be forced to redo a bunch of bills in the off chance the Justices go rogue (very strong change with that Judicial Tenure Amendment), that would destroy the Senate functionality.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Quick somebody take the Judicial Tenure Amendment it could be on the floor any minute. I would even though I oppose it, but I am at the limit as it is so it don't work.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Senate's expulsion power is tied to a strict activity standard that must first be violated.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Senate is presently studying a change in the judiciary system.

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Citizens could be selected to be on the People's Court. Will there be an opt out option for citizens who don't want to be selected ? I am not interested in making rulings like a judge.

You are free to post this question in the debate thread and such would probably better ensure that you have an answer. My assumption would be that it would operate like a jury and thus opt outs would not be possible save for special circumstances, but Tyrion would be better to answer exactly regarding the present text. As for whether or not the Senate is willing to expand the range of opt outs, is something we would have to see about.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Can someone explain why Nappy and Xahar haven't already been expelled?

As Maxwell said, they both came narrowly skirted removal. They came really close in Sept/October but Legal issues concerning the validity of the use of impeachment on Senators (hence why we improved thE Expulsion process and then subsequently passed the On Second Thought Oops Amendment) as well as the fact that they both narrowly avoided being absent seven days, prevented action from being taken.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Not like an amendment to this is presently on the floor or anything and thus the section in question aptly visible, or anything.