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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« on: November 01, 2016, 01:06:44 AM »

And how long before there is a realization that this "game" can do nothing regarding the site's policies, which were at the root of the situation with AAD.


Dave makes forum policy and the moderators enforce it. That is why the game shifted to being more of its own entity with the gov't and legislation and so forth. Because while there is nothing "physical to do" there is stuff that can be done in a fantasy gov't.

When it comes to making a Atlasia a gov't for the forum community, the problem with that is 1) Elections would never be competitive for anyone to your right, and 2) There is literally NOTHING to do. Because Dave wouldn't give a crap what the Atlasian President says and such an elected body would never be given any authority to change the TOS.

Once again, what you are proposing is a cleverly concealed call for dissolving Atlasia. Without the Gov't simulator, this would be a redux of the Forum Community Match ups, only with some campaigning for the meaningless win.

Also, one last note, the Atlasian President in Spring and Summer of 2015 when the Forum schism and AAD happened was your homeboy Bore. Ironic that you are criticizing him for doing nothing.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 01:44:37 AM »
« Edited: November 01, 2016, 01:56:34 AM by Eternal Senator North Carolina Yankee »

And how long before there is a realization that this "game" can do nothing regarding the site's policies, which were at the root of the situation with AAD.


Dave makes forum policy and the moderators enforce it. That is why the game shifted to being more of its own entity with the gov't and legislation and so forth. Because while there is nothing "physical to do" there is stuff that can be done in a fantasy gov't.

When it comes to making a Atlasia a gov't for the forum community, the problem with that is 1) Elections would never be competitive for anyone to your right, and 2) There is literally NOTHING to do. Because Dave wouldn't give a crap what the Atlasian President says and such an elected body would never be given any authority to change the TOS.

Once again, what you are proposing is a cleverly concealed call for dissolving Atlasia. Without the Gov't simulator, this would be a redux of the Forum Community Match ups, only with some campaigning for the meaningless win.

Also, one last note, the Atlasian President in Spring and Summer of 2015 when the Forum schism and AAD happened was your homeboy Bore. Ironic that you are criticizing him for doing nothing.


Then maybe Atlasia should dissolve. Personally, I think it's a heck of a lot better than having this little amount of activity. I agree with Xahar, the real problem is that nothing matters. There is no sort of grand power that a person can achieve by running for office, there is no monetary gain, there is little to no fame that is gained, and noting matters. A real life government that functioned that same as Atlasia would have the same problems.

Forgive me for asking, but has anyone contacted Dave about this? And if they haven't, why not try to? It's at least worth a try.

Why should Atlasia be dissolved by those who think that way, when others disagree? No one is forcing you to play the game, you should not force others to stop playing it. That is my answer to dissolution of anything, be it Atlasia or political parties or whatever. It is basic freedom of association.

Dave is not very responsive to anything.

Remember this forum is an appendage to a site that generates him money. It exists primarily to promote and facility that purpose. So all rules will be made by him for the sake of preserving the quality of the site, keeping it off school/university ban lists and making sure nothing done on here violates the law or drives away customers/site traffic. Dave is not going to care what an elected assembly of posters thinks. If their is general outrage, some policies will be tweaked as happened last July. But even then the changes were minimal. The point system for infractions was removed, but that was only created in 2010 anyway. The TOS hasn't been changed etc.

The Schism was primarily people that wanted to 1) say cusswords with Mods infracting them and 2) the continuation of the update where a bunch of posters obsess and dwell rather disturbingly over the actions and activities of a poster whose life choices they take issue with. This had become rather excessive and the Mods determined that it had became inappropriate so they locked it.

Dave and the mods would not give a crap about a resolution calling for the return of the update or laxing of the TOS. At the end of the day this site is private property and people can either accept the rules, get banned or leave. The mods have made this painfully clear, numerous times.

I highly doubt that Xahar really things there is more tangible "activity" to be found by wading in between that relationship and trying to act as an intermediate between a perpetually dissatisfied minority of posters and a very unresponsive forum admin.

Now with the fantasy gov't sim aspect, you have a Game Moderator that generates stories that the gov't and citizens are suppose to react to. The President and his cabinet responds be in the crisis format that Blair described or the responsive and dynamic cabinet meeting structure I proposed. They then go to congress if legislation is needed and to the people to explain and justify their actions like I proposed with the expansive Question Time idea.

Those laws can involve the regions, and the President should work with the regions to ensure they aware of things they can act on. Some of the story lines may require direct action from the regions and the President and also assist in both awareness of what needs to be done and also providing resources/support from the federal level if necessary.

The key to activity in Atlasia has always been dynamic interaction between a substantial enough number of players. We have had huge populations and still had the game be inactive. You can keep cutting off limbs until their is nothing left or can actively work to engage people and develop that kind of interaction between the gov't entities.

Blair said we need the Press back, I agree completely. I said the same in early 2015 and in 2014 before that when I actually helped jump start a press revival with SNC news. The activity of the press is a key factor in keeping this game interesting. They also provide election trackers as well. Truman has a great one with Mideast Record Courier, which is not as active as it used to be, I tried to start a partisan rag in the Spring, but it didn't catch on.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 05:23:47 AM »
« Edited: November 01, 2016, 05:25:24 AM by Eternal Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Let Pepe spring forth from the dresser to preach the truth!


Tweed's campaign is hardly something to be citing. Remember he came in forth and sued to have himself installed as President, which in spite of Napoleon's (the winner of that election) subsequent ban, is still just as ridiculous as it was then. If anything, Clarence should have been President, the actual runner up.


I would also point that Tweed's selfish actions last year caused great harm and when he got caught he tried to bring both Bacon King and Adam down with him, getting himself a lifetime ban (nearly getting those two the same consequence) and putting himself a category of irredeemably banned posters that exceeds that of Hamilton/Napoleon in the "never gonna see him back category".

But this crowd always celebrates deplorable behavior and resorts to revisionist history to hoist such irresponsible people onto a pedestal of greatness, before presenting them as models for Atlasia to follow into the depths of a volcano. So this is no surprise.
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