contstitutional party

[Peter]

Not really knowing where else to post this submission, I shall post it here.

Registration to vote
1. You must register two weeks before the beginning of an election to be able to vote in the election concerned.
2. You must have attained a certain number of posts, probably needs to go up from 18.

Presidential Election
1. By simple majority vote - as is presently
2. Contests every 2 months, beginning on the third Friday of the month an noon EST and ending on the following Sunday at noon EST.
3. President and Veep run on a ticket and may not be separated by voters.
4. No campaigning shall occur in voter registration or voting threads (in fact nothing other than voter registration or voting should occur in those threads)
5. No person shall be elected President more than two times consecutively.
6. If the President shall vacate his position, then the Vice President shall immedieately become President.
7. If the Vice President shall vacate his position then the President shall immediately appoint a new Vice President subject to a confirmation vote.

Supreme Court
1. Supreme Court shall have strength of 3
2. Each Justice is appointed for 6 month terms by the President (do we need confirmations?)
3. New Justices are appointed one week after the Presidential election.
4. Upon first appointment of the Supreme Court, Justices will divide themselves into 3 classes, each Justice having a term of 2 months, 4 months and 6 months respectively.
5. Upon the appointment of a new Justice, the SC shall elect a new Chief Justice. The Chief Justice shall announce all decisions of the Court.
6. If a Justice shall vacate their post for whatever reason, then the President shall nominate a new Justice to fulfil the remainder of the term.

Vacation of office
1. A person shall have vacated their office if:
a. They publically resign;
b. Dave "Board God" Leip expels them from the board.
c. Die (bit morbid)
d. Are recalled by the voters - similar style to CA recall, just without new elections.

[Peter]

Dunn,

Are you forming an actual party of independents?
If so, is it to be called the Constitutional Party?
What is your platform?

Pete

[Peter]

hey pete
do you join us?

It depends, I have yet to see a thorough articulation of your own beliefs, so I am not really wanting to jump on board this particular wagon at the moment. More generally, I don't affiliate with either of the main parties (although at present I do support Kerry over Bush) because I share ideological traits from both.

Anybody from the UK will know what I mean when I say I am a wet Tory, my position is essentially social libertarian, so I could quite easily find myself within the Democratic party or in some of the smaller third party movements. I probably couldnt join the Republican party full-on because I wouldnt be able to stand the religious right.

Just to see what your position is, I hope you don't mind if I ask a few pointed questions:
1. What is your position on dealing with the EU on trade, defence and "general" diplomatic relations? Is the EU right to push ahead with Kyoto without Russia and the US?
2. What is your interpretation of the Second Amendment?
3. Does the state have a legitimate interest in censoring television shows with nudity present?
4. Is a balanced budget the first rule of fiscal policy?
5. Does increased public spending come before or after public service reform?
6. Who should get free healthcare?

[Peter]

1. What is your position on dealing with the EU on trade, defence and "general" diplomatic relations? Is the EU right to push ahead with Kyoto without Russia and the US?
2. What is your interpretation of the Second Amendment?
3. Does the state have a legitimate interest in censoring television shows with nudity present?
4. Is a balanced budget the first rule of fiscal policy?
5. Does increased public spending come before or after public service reform?
6. Who should get free healthcare?

1. as an anti blobalization person I support the eu/us/any country to preform some restrictions/protetion in a few cases on their products. I support Kyoto and think its W big mistake not to. the eu can push it just as the us can stop its. thats the game.
2.the 2nd amd talks not just on a well gourded militia but on defending a free state. and that the citizens. I don't want to reapeell it but support law that will ban auto weapens, have a waiting period on buying gun, not sell a gun to a violent convicted person etc
3.it's against the first amd. but the networks should know that parents and coustemers boycot may hurt them more themn a law
4.no. but its important. having growth and creating jobs with a debt (but a amall one up to 2% or so) is ok
5.they dome together. hand in hand
6. well, every old guy that paid so/sec have a right to decent modern care for his problems without going bankrupt. every child must get a minimun care, the details must be sorted out.

1. So you dealt with the trade issue, now what about the defence issue and the general diplomatic relations issue?
2. I asked for your interpretation of the second amendment not your position on guns (unless you consider them one and the same).
5. The point is that one has to come before the other: which one first?

[Peter]

Let me reiterate some even more pointed questions:

1. What is your opinion of the EU opeating a defence structure outside of NATO (thats what I was getting at)?
2. What is your opinion of the fact that many within the EU now see it as the principal counter-balance to the US in the world, and how do you deal with it on those terms?
3. You stated a general position on the second amendment; What is your interpretation of the second amendment vis a vis the requirement of gun owners to have licences?
4. In dealing with the education system would you require the education system to reform so that you invested more money in it, or would you invest more money in it so you could reform it?

You consistently repeat the notion that we can occupy the same party whilst holding conflicting views, whilst I agree with this, it is important to establish that we must agree on somethings.

[Peter]

Thanks but no thanks

A. Your party has a dodgy name (the CP in the US is rather right wing)
B. Your personal ideology seems to reflect a social democratic/socialist position; I can already tell that we disagree on a few issues, more I suspect if I were to probe you further.
C. I quite like being completely politically independent, it allows me to ask difficult questions of all sides.

PS, Dunn you can put the CP banner in your signature on your profile page

[Peter]

A.The final name will be decided at the convention anyways. But the American "Constitution Party" is not just "rather" right wing...
B.Yeah, I noticed on you webpage you want an elected monarch. I didn't get why...
C.Okay. That's an argument.
We will refrain from using force to get you to join

A. I am the master of understatement;
B. The reason I want an elected Monarch is because I like the traditional aspects of my country, whilst at the sametime I wish to inject some accountability into the institution, but thats a debate for elsewhere... You shouldn't interpret that position as informing my general political beliefs as this isn't the case.

[Peter]

the name is temporary till our convention. its contitutional p not constitution p not to  be mistaken by right wing moore. we are center-left on social issues and I admire the indepensents and see my self as one
as my friend Lewis said you are invited to out convention asa guest

I understand that the name is slightly different, but to a casual observer, you might well be equated with the nutters.
You are no longer an independent as you are starting your own party!

[Peter]

I prefer of Earl of Oxford

My "logic" says that if you join a political party then you cease to be politically independent (in fact I would have thought that most people's logic says that); Since you are forming a political party, you have ceased to be politically independent.

[Peter]

Dunn, Lewis, (other Constitutionalist Party members),

I have decided after re-consideration, and after having viewed your actions in light of recent events that I shall attend your Constitutionalist Party Convention.

How are we intending to conduct the convention?
Is it in a chatroom or over MSN, Yahoo or AOL instant messengers, or over a discussion board (such as this); If the latter I can provide such facility on a secure discussion board attached to my website.

For the record I am not affiliating with the party as yet, merely I will be attending as an interested third (or should I say fourth) party. The first thing I would like to propose to the agenda is a change of name!!

I am available Friday 27th January from 1530 GMT onwards. I will also be available for most of Saturday, but probably not Sunday. I am not sure of availability for next week.

[Peter]

http://ukconstitution.proboards25.com/index.cgi

This is the UKCon Forum; I have setup a secure board for Constitutionalist Party viewing only. Just register and use a name I am likely to recognise (or email me) and I will set you as having access; You can begin to use the board immediately for whatever purposes.

Pete

[Peter]

Whilst I am more than happy to accomodate observers (I am sorta one as well), you will still need to register in able to see the board.

[Peter]

Okay, I set Dunn and ilikeverin as having access already, if you dont have access to board yet, say something.

I dont know whether the others who have registered want access to view the board or not, just email, IM or leave a message on another board or here and I will set your access permissions.

[Peter]

Lewis has duly been added to have access to the board.

I am available from 1530GMT on Friday until the evening. The good thing about the bulletin board is that we don't all need to be online at the sametime to have the discussion. We can setup any arrangements for the weekend once we get going.

[Peter]

Here is the board once again:
[Website removed]

I have setup registered access for Dunn, Lewis, I Like Verin, Realpolitik and YoungRepub who have all registered since advertising began; If anybody else wishes access please get in touch.

[Peter]

You can see a members list; There should be a button called members in the toolbar at the top of the screen, click on it and you will see a list of members.