Gamergate

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Kind of tangential, but how much overlap is there between these people and actual MRAs? I'd imagine quite a bit but then again I think MRA is still pretty out there on the fringe... seems like it's used as some kind of a boogeyman term like we see with "SJW."

returnofkings and voiceformen and plenty of others are strongly supportive of gamergate, so...

The origin was basically that one game dev was using personal connections to generate positive feedback for their projects.  Basically, a "pay for good reviews" type system. 

except nathan grayson never reviewed depression quest. this has been debunked so many times ffs.

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not quite

If you actually do some research into it, like OAM above me seems to have,

lol
lol lol lol

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this last attack originated from gamergate's main board. if you want to claim gamergate is against harassment you have to actually do something about it and not just say "no it's not us it is a total coincidence that our enemies are being driven out of their homes"

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absolutely, but gamergate doesn't care about any real ethical issues

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criticism is not censorship. making games with a "feminist agenda" doesn't stop other games from being made. if anyone is attempting censorship it is gamergate, with their spam-campaigns against advertisers.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

On the bright side, the ad revenue from the corrupt institutions is way down, for a variety of reasons.

http://www.statshow.com/www/polygon.com (etc)
actually they're all recovering, thank the gods

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clearly you (and they) didn't actually read any of the articles. i did. i was not offended.

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are you? i would think any real feminist would care more about women being driven out of their houses and/or careers than about perceived slights against straight white male gamers. i'd like to remind you also that like half the movement constantly rants about "getting feminism/sjws out of our video games" or w/e

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fact: gamergate's persecution complex is even more ridiculous than fundie christians'.

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actually polygon/kotaku/rps were mostly targeted at gamers who are interested in social commentary to begin with. gamasutra is targeted at developers. and again if you were insulted by the articles then you're proving their point.

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how the hell did zoë quinn "hijack feminism"

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this is again a claim that has been made dozens of times with little to no evidence

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http://socialjusticeviv.tumblr.com/post/98412304682/the-fine-young-capitalists-arent-actually-helping
in particular:

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also https://storify.com/jbradfield/zoe-quinn-re-tfyc

The origin was basically that one game dev was using personal connections to generate positive feedback for their projects.  Basically, a "pay for good reviews" type system. 

except nathan grayson never reviewed depression quest. this has been debunked so many times ffs.

I wasn't talking about Nathan Grayson specifically.  There's others involved.  There's a reason some of the louder elements latched onto the Five Guys jokes so much.

none of them reviewed depression quest.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest

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not quite

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Shut out, I'll admit, may be too strong a term, but in general the media was highly resistent.  One exception doesn't mean much.[/quote]
read the article pls

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this last attack originated from gamergate's main board. if you want to claim gamergate is against harassment you have to actually do something about it and not just say "no it's not us it is a total coincidence that our enemies are being driven out of their homes"

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I suppose if this thread is about an actual board called Gamergate, than you have a point here.  If this thread is about the general controversy, I'd like to humbly request permission to adopt your name and then go post opinions around the internet in your stead   Ditto for the next part of his post you quoted, but that I've removed here for space concerns.[/quote]
yes this one
the doxxer didn't even get banned

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criticism is not censorship. making games with a "feminist agenda" doesn't stop other games from being made. if anyone is attempting censorship it is gamergate, with their spam-campaigns against advertisers.
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It apparently does if you're in competition with Zoe Quinn, though.[/quote]

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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clearly you (and they) didn't actually read any of the articles. i did. i was not offended.

Nope, the articles were definitely read.  There was quite a bit of back handedness as passive aggressiveness in those articles.  I am not saying this as a form of attack, but may I inquire to how familiar you are with the English language?  The most active person on my contacts list who enjoys discussing this issue is German/Dutch and when he was reading them he appeared slightly confused as to the tone of what was written. 

i lived in the u.s. more than half of my life. my english is fine. why don't you go through one of the articles and tell me what parts you consider to be "attacking all gamers"

...for that matter, kotaku's article explicitly says:

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are you? i would think any real feminist would care more about women being driven out of their houses and/or careers than about perceived slights against straight white male gamers. i'd like to remind you also that like half the movement constantly rants about "getting feminism/sjws out of our video games" or w/e
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Fun fact, I can be concerned about both.  I believe in making sure ALL wrongs are corrected.[/quote]

if gamergate continues, the harassment continues. the harassment would not have happened without gamergate. this is undeniable. thus, by supporting gamergate you are implicitly prioritising flimsy conspiracy-theories about video-game journalism over the real and horrifying results of a deeply toxic culture.

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you know what i meant. the vast majority of the people who were offended were straight white males (*chan sockpuppets notwithstanding)

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fact: gamergate's persecution complex is even more ridiculous than fundie christians'.
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I find it odd that a concept rather than a group can have a persecution complex.  Honestly, can you clarify what your statements mean.  I gather there's some sort of board that's formed to discuss the controversy, and that it may have attracted one segment of the population over others, but personally I've not kept up with any of the people who have exposed extremist beliefs one way or the other.[/quote]

oh, they're just full of it.
http://www.donotlink.com/bfvx
https://twitter.com/official_socjus/status/520282297493626881
https://twitter.com/nitramy/status/520248494112534528
etc etc etc

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you're the one who brought it up, oam. but yeah, purposely misnaming it is a great way to show how much you don't care.

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go ahead. i challenge you to show me a depression quest review along with evidence of the author being corrupt.

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http://inurashii.tumblr.com/post/99751399160/gamergate-and-the-golden-mean-fallacy

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

i want to apologise if i have come off as rude or overly short... i've been reading and arguing about this stuff for over a month now and some people... some people are awful, let's just say.

i would like to say that i made no assumptions about your gender, oam, nor about whether you personally are sexist. but if you're not sexist and you're supporting gamergate, you are in the wrong place.

http://ellorgast.tumblr.com/post/99422454733/gamergate-throwing-its-own-trans-supporters-under-a-bus

gamergate is not a movement welcoming of women or feminists. its claims of fighting for ethics in video-game journalism have long since collapsed and it is now mostly dedicated to stamping out feminism in gaming. please, please, reconsider your views.

[edit: this is entirely inadequate. i have contacted oam via private message to properly apologise]

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

What is this, and why is it important?

gawker has a decent summary.
as to why it's important, three women have been forced to flee their homes and countless more have been pressured out of the industry. given how underrepresented women in tech were to begin with, ...

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

update: a gamergater has crashed his car on his way to attempt to assassinate a female game dev.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Also it should be said the Gamergate folks are quite ridiculous, even the ones who aren't blatant misogynists are still flipping over minor trivial s[inks]. Even if the "corruption" allegations are true it's the definition of first world problems. But the idea that they represent "gamers" as opposed to "a handful of folks on Reddit and 4chan" is even more absurd.

I never understood much of this case, but from what I read: The idea that there are people who actually get upset about "integrity in video game reviews", or whatever, is far more disturbing to me than any eventual sexism. So I hope this controversy was mostly caused by the latter.

and it's not even about things like EA and activision negotiating product placement deals with arms manufacturers or the horrendously exploitative working conditions that pervade the AAA gaming industry. no, apparently, the big ethical issues^TM are all about random fringe indie devs.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

so, uh, wow…

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what do you guys think, will this go anywhere?