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Ancestral Republican
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Junior Chimp
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« on: May 01, 2024, 04:16:23 PM »

What the hell is wrong with this guy? He isn't standing with Israel. He's standing with Bibi.
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Ancestral Republican
Crane
Atlas Politician
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,881
Israel


Political Matrix
E: -8.16, S: 3.22

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2024, 08:36:18 PM »

“Standing with Israel” should mean getting Netanyahu out of office.

"Standing with America" should mean keeping Hillary Clinton from the White House.

See the comparison?
For Hillary Clinton to be equivalent to Netanyahu, she would have to support Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS.

The comparison is one of how OK is it for outside nations to manipulate who's in charge in other countries.



It's a nonsense comparison.

Trying to protect a war criminal from justice is not equivalent to opposing the Democratic candidate in an election (which, to be clear, Bibi has done now for several cycles.)

Try again pal.
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Ancestral Republican
Crane
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,881
Israel


Political Matrix
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2024, 08:37:45 PM »

Israel should not get a blanket free pass no matter what. Even supporters of the war can admit there have been a few war crimes that need to be addressed.

Yup. I can and do support Israel while also acknowledging that Bibi and some of his government are monsters.
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Ancestral Republican
Crane
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Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,881
Israel


Political Matrix
E: -8.16, S: 3.22

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2024, 10:23:33 PM »

The US is not signatory to the ICC, so therefore has no say in its decisions. Sorry, you don't get to boss around a group you're not a part of.

The problem is that the ICC declares universal jurisdiction and only requires a party to it to bring a case for it to target someone outside of it. So they are essentially saying that we are all part of it whether we want to be or not.

It would be really problematic if states committing war crimes could simply declare themselves not subject to ICC jurisdiction.
Except that's already what happens. The ICC can't do anything about the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs, can't do anything about the Saudis massacring migrants and murdering dissidents, can't do anything about American soldiers murdering innocent people in the Middle East (Ed Gallagher.) In practice, the only people ever prosecuted at the ICC have lost power in their home countries and been handed over voluntarily. But Bibi is still nervous about this. Why? He's hanging onto power by a flimsy thread, and he knows it.
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