WinDis Polls - 1: Abortion

[k-onmmunist]

New series of polls I'm running to collect forum opinion on certain issues. This will run for a week, then I will move onto the next one. No middle ground, just a straight out question: are you pro-life or pro-choice?

[k-onmmunist]

I am pro-choice and support restoring the 28 week limit.

[k-onmmunist]

Avowedly pro-choice, but against tax funding for abortion. (the government shouldn't take money out of someone who is morally opposed to abortion to fund someone else's abortion)

I agree with this as well. Stem cell research should occur in the private sector, not in the halls of government.

Yeah.. all non-life threatening surgery should be dealt with privately. I support public funding for abortion only if it would be life threatening not to have an abortion - i.e. risk to the mother's life.

[k-onmmunist]

I am pro-choice and support restoring the 28 week limit.

That's pretty disgusting. The limit is already 24 weeks too high.

How is it disgusting? Forcing women to have backstreet abortions and possibly die in the process - THAT is disgusting.

[k-onmmunist]

Oh, and on a side note, no one is "forced" to have a backstreet abortion.

Making something abortion illegal is coercion, so yes they are.

[k-onmmunist]

Oh, and on a side note, no one is "forced" to have a backstreet abortion.

Making something abortion illegal is coercion, so yes they are.

Um, this is not Nazi Germany or Red China. Nobody is forced to have an abortion.

^^^^

And Winston, I'm not in favor of forced abortions, I'm in favor of no abortions at all, regardless of where they take place.

I know. And I'm pointing out the weaknesses in your position. If people have backstreet abortions, they not only risk their own life, they risk their babies life too. Therefore, you've actually indirectly led to deaths of fetuses anyway.

[k-onmmunist]

What a ridiculous poll.  This is far from a black-and-white issue.

Not really. You either support abortion on request or you don't.

[k-onmmunist]

What a ridiculous poll.  This is far from a black-and-white issue.

Not really. You either support abortion on request or you don't.

Or you simply don't care.  How should I vote in this fantastic poll?

Don't care, don't vote. Abortion is an issue most people with an interest in politics have some opinion on.

[k-onmmunist]

Therefore, your poorly crafted poll doesn't encompass the full range of opinions (or lack thereof).

Besides, you're deliberately reducing an extremely complicated spectrum of possible opinions to a dichotomy of two extremes.  Just like the ludicrous FF/HP polls, political discourse is always more complicated than black-or-white, and it's intellectually deficient to argue otherwise.

Well I'm sorry I didn't take account of your fence sitting but I wanted a general outline of people's positions on the issue. It's not like there's a middle  ground between aborting a fetus or keeping it alive.

[k-onmmunist]

You're the first person to complain, and I'm asking it as a general question. Given you have a history of complaining about... well... everything, I'm not inclined to your view. You either have an opinion one way or the other, or you don't. If the former, vote, debate, whatever. If the latter, I don't know why you insist on posting in this thread.

[k-onmmunist]

Half a dozen people have posted in this thread to adopt one of the two given positions; mainly simpletons who probably have no idea what "nuance" means.

Anyway, the point is that your poll is very poorly crafted.  But I guess it serves political simpletons well.  Rational and intelligent folk can wait for a higher quality discussion on this difficult issue.

So, in other words, if people choose to affiliate with one side of the debate or another, they're simpletons?

[k-onmmunist]

What a ridiculous poll.  This is far from a black-and-white issue.

Not really. You either support abortion on request or you don't.

The current UK laws don't support abortion on request, as far as I know. A woman can only get an abortion if the baby will seriously affect the life of the mother or the child itself will be born disable or if birthing the child will kill the mother or in cases of rape/incest. Also, 2 doctors need to agree that the abortion is justified. Our laws are noticabley more conservative compared to the US, Canada and other EU countries which have on demand laws.

Our laws are trying to run the middle ground I guess.

Really? I thought they legalized abortion on demand in 1968.

chane08 is right actually. It was 1967 when it was legalised here though

[k-onmmunist]

Pro-Life

Are you a Democrat now?

[k-onmmunist]

I am a libertarian. I am thus de facto pro-choice, and passionately so.

Contradiction.

The contradiction is yours. You deny the property rights of the mother.

Sorry, one human being can never own another. Hence why I oppose slavery as well as abortion.

A fetus is not a human being in total. It is dependent on the mother and is inside her, therefore it is her property.

[k-onmmunist]

Pro-choice.

Wow.
You are one of the last people who I would expect to be pro-choice.

This.

Though ben's reputation has just gone up in my eyes.

[k-onmmunist]

Pro-choice, without limitations.

You mean up until the baby is born?

[k-onmmunist]

Though ben's reputation has just gone up in my eyes.

I'm surprised so many people thought I was pro-life.

I don't know... I mean, aren't most Jews pro-life? Or is it just Christians?

[k-onmmunist]

I don't know... I mean, aren't most Jews pro-life? Or is it just Christians?

Christians, although I disagree even with that generalization.  Reform Jews, at least, are decidedly liberal, economically and socially.

Plus, alot of otherwise socially liberal people in America are against abortion. Given your social score, I just thought you'd be pro-life.

[k-onmmunist]

Well his username is "true liberty", so I'm guessing pro-life.choice.

[k-onmmunist]

PiT must think Hitler was justified too, because we can't force our anti-murder theocratic views on the Nazis.

Uh oh, Godwin's law!

[k-onmmunist]

PiT must think Hitler was justified too, because we can't force our anti-murder theocratic views on the Nazis.

Uh oh, Godwin's law!

Nice to see you bring something constructive. Why not legalize all murders then?

Because murder involves killing a being with feelings. Foetuses cannot feel pain, at least not in the early stages of pregnancy.

[k-onmmunist]

PiT must think Hitler was justified too, because we can't force our anti-murder theocratic views on the Nazis.

Uh oh, Godwin's law!

Nice to see you bring something constructive. Why not legalize all murders then?

Because murder involves killing a being with feelings. Foetuses cannot feel pain, at least not in the early stages of pregnancy.

That is a rather arbitrary definition. In fact a human being has the right to life from the moment of conception, regardless of whether he or she can feel pain.

Then why do we date our lives from date of birth rather than conception?