Gay Marriage/Civil Unions in 10 years

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The obvious answer in any such legislation is simply to include wording guaranteeing the freedom of individual religious organizations to choose whether or not to recognize gay marriage; that way low-brow backwater rednecks like Made in the USA can choose to live the rest of their lives in their narrow dogmatic bubbles by absconding from an organized religion that embraces diversity.

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First time gay marriage has come through the legislative process in the US, and overriding a veto at that.

And let us all take this opportunity to issue a hearty "f**k you" to the dictatorial twat who made this override necessary with his Imperial Edict in the first place.

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First time gay marriage has come through the legislative process in the US, and overriding a veto at that.

And let us all take this opportunity to issue a hearty " you" to the dictatorial twat who made this override necessary with his Imperial Edict in the first place.

LOL, the viralness of the pro-gay activists against anyone who doesn't agree with them is really amazing. If most of them weren't such aholes, there would be more states with gay marriage by now.

Go ram it up your ass. I'm not a 'pro-gay activist', you pansy; I'm a libertarian, which is what the Republican Party used to be before it was hijacked by the Christian Taliban. I believe in the freedom of choice and in the liberty of the will for all men, and that all are entitled to pursue their interests in life without bowing to useless religious strictures.

I don't have to be pleasant to anyone who doesn't believe in the absolute sovereignty of the individual.

EDIT: And by the way, idiot? It's virulence, f**ktard.

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First time gay marriage has come through the legislative process in the US, and overriding a veto at that.

And let us all take this opportunity to issue a hearty " you" to the dictatorial twat who made this override necessary with his Imperial Edict in the first place.

LOL, the viralness of the pro-gay activists against anyone who doesn't agree with them is really amazing. If most of them weren't such aholes, there would be more states with gay marriage by now.

Go ram it up your ass. I'm not a 'pro-gay activist', you pansy; I'm a libertarian, which is what the Republican Party used to be before it was hijacked by the Christian Taliban. I believe in the freedom of choice and in the liberty of the will for all men, and that all are entitled to pursue their interests in life without bowing to useless religious strictures.

I don't have to be pleasant to anyone who doesn't believe in the absolute sovereignty of the individual.

EDIT: And by the way, idiot? It's virulence, f**ktard.

You're not a libertarian, you're a government enthusiast.  Ask yourself this: why is marriage, a sacred institution, being encroached upon by the government?  A true libertarian would advocate for the repeal of all marriage laws.

Marriage isn't a 'sacred institution'. In its earliest days it was a contractual arrangement between tribes to settle disputes and trade property.

And being an actual libertarian - a left-libertarian, or classical anarchist - I do not mind the utilization of the State in pursuance of freedom when no other option is available. Taking a direct vote on the matter would also have been using the government. Liberty first, then the dissolution of the State. What matters to me above all is that men are treated as rational beings capable of choosing their own fates, not some mind-numbed crusade against all authority. The Bill of Rights is also a government-mandated list of liberties, and one that I am quite happy to have (although I should like to see it expanded).

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I bet there is going to be an initiative to get it on the ballot? Or is that not possible?

Its Vermont, even if it finds its way to the ballot, it would go down in flames.  Douglas just lost re-election if he runs again because of this.

     Douglas really had a sweet deal going. I'm disappointed that he would throw his political career away by vetoing this. I used to think he was fairly reasonable.

You would rather him throw away personal values for political gain? Isn't that whats wrong with politics nowadays?

When his 'personal values' are at loggerheads with the American concept of freedom and liberty, he can burn in Hell.

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I bet there is going to be an initiative to get it on the ballot? Or is that not possible?

Its Vermont, even if it finds its way to the ballot, it would go down in flames.  Douglas just lost re-election if he runs again because of this.

     Douglas really had a sweet deal going. I'm disappointed that he would throw his political career away by vetoing this. I used to think he was fairly reasonable.

You would rather him throw away personal values for political gain? Isn't that whats wrong with politics nowadays?

When his 'personal values' are at loggerheads with the American concept of freedom and liberty, he can burn in Hell.

It's funny how violent you are. You want to be for equal rights but want people who disagree with you to burn in Hell. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Did I ever call to restrict the marriage rights of homophobes, you greasy little worm? No. I oppose you vehemently, but only because your stupidity deserves opposition.

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Previously gay marriage had only been implemented by "activist judges" -- something the governor has very little to do with

"Activist judges" are a right-wing myth.

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Steve Schmidt, John McCain's campaign manager, is going to announce that Republicans should endorse same-sex marriage both on its merits and for the political future of the party.

It'll never happen. Where will the white working class go then? These Republican assholes seem to forget that they like the Democrats on economics. They just don't like them on virtually anything else.

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Steve Schmidt, John McCain's campaign manager, is going to announce that Republicans should endorse same-sex marriage both on its merits and for the political future of the party.

It'll never happen. Where will the white working class go then? These Republican assholes seem to forget that they like the Democrats on economics. They just don't like them on virtually anything else.

There are other wedge issues that don't show the same clear trend that same-sex marriage does.

Which of them save abortion has the same pull as same-sex marriage? The Republicans are trying to make inroads with minorities, so extreme race-baiting is out. The Drug War? It's completely out of the mainstream to champion it any more than they already do.

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[insert a different, less hereditary mental disorder.  Hell, you could probably even take a personality trait]

The point was that it's a false dichotomy to place choice as everything that isn't "born gay." 

The point ought to be that it doesn't matter if homosexuality is a choice or not. It harms no one, any more than does heterosexuality or my own penchant for transsexuals. Hence it ought to be embraced, in keeping with the maxim of liberal democracy that individual freedom and choice is the greatest possible good in this world.