Gay Marriage/Civil Unions in 10 years

[Landslide Lyndon]

It should get at least 25 votes out of 30.

I just wanna say, that the bill just passed the state senate by a vote of 26 to 4. I was a little too conservative with my prediction.

You beat me by two minutes.

Did you watch the vote/debate? It was really great.

And I just wanna say, funny thing, 4 Republicans voted for this, as opposed to 3 who didn't. The majority of senate Republicans support marriage equality in Vermont.

Yeah, I was watching it over at Burlington Free Press.

The one Democrat who voted against this was Bobby Starr of Essex. What is it with people named Starr and being against gay marriage?

I only worry about what Douglas will do. Do the Dems have enough votes in the House to override a potential veto? Will the fact that the majority of Republicans in the Senate voted for the bill influence his decision?

Douglas has said that he opposes the bill, but he didn't say that he would veto it.
With margins like that, a veto would be futile, so it's highly unlikely that he will use it.

After all, it's not like he has presidential ambitions.

[Landslide Lyndon]

First time gay marriage has come through the legislative process in the US, and overriding a veto at that.

And let us all take this opportunity to issue a hearty " you" to the dictatorial twat who made this override necessary with his Imperial Edict in the first place.

LOL, the viralness of the pro-gay activists against anyone who doesn't agree with them is really amazing. If most of them weren't such aholes, there would be more states with gay marriage by now.

I'm not a pro-gay enthusiast. As a matter of fact, I was a little uneasy with the concept of gay marriage.

But thanks to the vile and hateful opposition of troglodytes like you and your childhood heroes (Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly), I now fully support marriage equality by whatever means, legislative or judicial.     

[Landslide Lyndon]

I'm not a pro-gay enthusiast. As a matter of fact, I was a little uneasy with the concept of gay marriage.

But thanks to the vile and hateful opposition of troglodytes like you and your childhood heroes (Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly), I now fully support marriage equality by whatever means, legislative or judicial.     

I'm as big of a proponent of gay marriage as there can be, but that's a nonsense reason to support it.

Then again, Rowan's reason -- if it isn't true -- is equally as disappointing.  Amazing how both sides manage to see the other as so much more insidious, but would totally be super sympathetic to the opponents if they weren't such a-holes.

Perhaps my statement was poorly worded. It's not that I don't support marriage equality from every perspective, legal AND moral. I was just a little uneasy because I grew up in a society where marriage was by definition an institution solely associated with heterosexual couples. You can call it the comfort of tradition.

But when I saw during the last years the hate and bigotry exhibited by the religious/Republican nutjobs towards gays, and the cynical way in which they were scapegoated in order for some right-wingers to win elections, I decided that my aesthetic sensibilities matter a lot less than the right of two people who love each other to do what every other heterosexual couple in the world can.

And I must confess, it gives me additional pleasure to watch all those modern day George Wallace and James Eastlands to foam from the mouth while our society moves towards the future, leaving them behind like the flotsam they are.

[Landslide Lyndon]

50% say gay marriage should be banned nationwide.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f975bd27-33a6-4579-8716-7bc0fe49a96b

I bet a bigger percentage said the same thing about interracial marriage circa 1967.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Or why Rhode Island hasn't gotten with the program yet?

The fact that it's the most Catholic state in the Union might have something to do with it.

[Landslide Lyndon]

A single mom's sexuality cannot be determined.  Especially if she is adopting a child by herself.

OK...    But I'm comparing the mother who had a child and didn't marry the biological father.   AKA "the single parent home" as they call them.     You are saying that homosexuals can raise children just as good as the traditional mother/father home. I'm telling you NO they can't.

There is no replacement for the mother and father ran home.

My father was a drunk who beat me. My mother worked three jobs to make up for my lazy father and I hardly every saw her. Meanwhile, my best friend was raised by two gay men who held normal 9-5 jobs, always had time for their family, and loved my friend unconditionally.

Which household was it better for a child to be raised in?

Still the heterosexual biological mother and father home.  

It is better to stay silent and let people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

-Abraham Lincoln

[Landslide Lyndon]

Here, the Conservative Party supports gay rights, and were strongly in favor of the legalization of homosexuality in the 1960's. They are also pro-choice, supported the ban on handguns, pro-drug legalization, pro-big spending (at least some of the time), supports universal healthcare, public education, soft on immigration, and i could go on....

So, to all the gay people and left wing people in America, the UK is the place to live!

Ah, but here in Europe even the conservatives are actually crypto-socialists.
Hence all the hatred towards France, Germany, Sweden and other perfectly normal countries.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I like what Bill O said about this in that its going to happen the liberals states will pass it, and the conservative states wont. End result you turn more people against gay rights then before.

Great a Country divided.

Are you jealous because you and Coburn in 2012 can't consumate your relationship?

[Landslide Lyndon]

So, ok, per map at Wikipedia... is it really true that only a statue in WA prevents gay marriage... whats the hold up here Dems?

Hey, while we are at it, perhaps you could explain how such a progressive state like Wisconsin passed an amendment banning gay marriage.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Well thats what you want isn't it?

In 20 years I would like to be dead because honestly I'm worried about our country.   Who knows maybe my views will have changed by then, but don't count on it.   

[Landslide Lyndon]

What's going on with New Jersey?
I thought that was supposed to be the next target.

[Landslide Lyndon]

West Virginia Supreme Court spanks a big argument against same-sex marriage. (And the case actually doesn't even have anything to do with marriage at all.)

Just saying...

Hey Holmes, just curious.

After Iowa, are there any other same sex marriage cases pending in front of state supreme courts?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Note this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=137808&mesg_id=137808

(Conservative Bush administration holdover is behind this.)

As I expected. I trust Obama's administration to defend DOMA, but I would not expect them to do it this way.

I think Kos mentioned that the conservatives were equally furious with the Bush administration when some years ago they defended vigorously at federal court some affirmative action federal programs.