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pbrower2a
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« on: March 20, 2014, 06:32:44 AM »

Conservative style and high incomes usually relate to political and economic conservatism... but not with minorities in any way visible. Such may imply the potential for a cultural clash so long as a tradition with a marked difference from the cultural mainstream gets credit for personal success. So it has been with American Jews for over a century. If they are successful they have good cause to resist assimilation or what they think annihilates their means of success or their identity as a group.

Anti-communism is still a factor in the politics of some Asian communities, but not as much as it used to be, at least with respect to the People's Republic of China. Forty years ago the People's Republic of China was infamous for its loud promotion of world revolution and hostility to all tradition in any way compatible with religion or enterprise, and the American Right exploited that to the fullest. That is past.  China is now a good place in which to conduct business and it isn't going to export any ideology. The only large Asian-American communities that have big problems with Communism are those with large refugee populations (Vietnamese-Americans) and those associated with an internal divide within a country (Korean-Americans still hostile to the DPRK... as if anyone has anything good to say about DPRK leadership).

The People's Republic of China has done much to allay fears of Asian-Americans of Communism. China has plenty of exports, but its political order is apparently not one of them.


The GOP is the Party of WASP elites in all parts of the US... and of the WASP poor in the Mountain and Deep South. The WASP economic elite has been slow to intermarry with non-WASP high-achievers whom the WASP economic elite, North or South, consider at best nouveaux-riches. The Republican Party has fostered anti-intellectualism that excites  people of low educational attainment but offends anyone who attributes his success to learning, and such hurts the GOP appeal to almost anyone non-white, non-Christian, or non-Anglo. The problem that the GOP has in getting the Asian-American vote is much the same as its difficulty in winning the Jewish, middle-class black, and middle-class Hispanic vote.  Until the GOP abandons its anti-intellectualism it will keep losing non-white, non-Anglo, and non-Christian voters no matter how successful those voters are.   


   
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 10:57:58 AM »


I didn't click on the link, but I think that it's primarily because they are collectivist by nature.

Only to the extent that they are heavily urban, which means that they are committed to a high-cost, high-service government just to keep things from falling apart. Add to that -- they rely heavily upon public education, and the longer that goes, the more likely they are to be net debtors for years (debtors are more likely to go Left) -- and the more likely they are to attribute such successes as they have to education.

They are no more collectivist than Scandinavian-Americans whose liberal-conservative divide lies largely with whether they live in urban (Suburbia is now urban) or rural areas.   

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Middle-class Latinos are closer to the Asian profile of being urban and educated. Few people wish to be consigned to a permanent underclass of cheap, expendable, scared labor that the extreme anti-collectivists want.   
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 09:26:54 PM »

Let's not forget the Muslim American vote has a role in this too.


While I'm not sure how many Asians are Muslims, and IIRC most Muslim Americans are actually black Americans, the fact that they went from voting something like 90% for George W. Bush in 2000 to some 85% for John Kerry in 2004 sure hasn't helped the GOP.

Turks, Kurds,  Iranians, and Arabs are generally considered white.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2014, 08:16:49 AM »

Let's not forget the Muslim American vote has a role in this too.


While I'm not sure how many Asians are Muslims, and IIRC most Muslim Americans are actually black Americans, the fact that they went from voting something like 90% for George W. Bush in 2000 to some 85% for John Kerry in 2004 sure hasn't helped the GOP.

Turks, Kurds,  Iranians, and Arabs are generally considered white.

What this means is that the only major group of Muslims who check "Asian" on the census form are those of South Asian descent. I would be shocked if the proportion of Asian-Americans who are Muslim exceeded 5%.

Indonesians? Malays? Hui Chinese?

(Of course ethnic non-Muslim Chinese are large minorities of the population of Malaysia and Indonesia). 
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 10:09:08 AM »

One thing a lot of people have not mentioned is that Asians value moderation and the current GOP is anything but moderate. That was certainly not the case a few decades ago. Even looking at Reagan, he said conservative things in a moderate way. On the other hand the Democrats are a moderate party. Of course Asian Americans will vote for that party.

Other things matter too, such as the anti-intellectualism of Bush which was followed up by the immigration debate which made the GOP look like the white party. And Palin talking about the real America....all the talk show hosts and Fox news heads blabbering about how bad white people have it these days. Oreilly talking about the end of the white establishment in 2012...I could just go on forever. It can be argued that in the 1980s blacks may have felt targeted by the GOP but Asians certainly did not. Now with the moaning about white America amongst conservatives, they most certainly are.

Something else -- Sarah Palin became one of the exemplars of the Republican Party. (1) Her mangled English might appeal to the semi-literate who use language something like she does. (2)Add to that, she made speeches in which she praised the "real" America of small-town and rural America that hasn't been the majority of America for almost a century. (3)Asian-Americans are very bourgeois.

(1) After the 2008 election many thought that she would be a likely candidate for President. I was following the polls on how she projected to do against Barack Obama, and I noticed something remarkable: that although she did no worse than other candidates in states with comparatively few people of foreign origin, she did catastrophically badly in states with large numbers of foreign-born people -- which I use as a proxy for people whose first language is not English.   (To be sure, there are people in the US who are native to the US and whose first language is not English, and there are people in the US who immigrated from elsewhere whose first language is English). Others similarly right-wing (such as Mike Huckabee) had no such problem. One may disagree with him, but one fully understands his impeccable English.

If there is a basic rule in talking with anyone whose first language is not English, it is to stay close to the formal register taught in phrase books and basic English texts -- whether the first language is German -- or Korean. How proficient the person is in English matters little; the non-native speaker must process what an English speaker says into thought patterns structured in a different grammar and vocabulary. With slang and mangled diction one must make two translations -- one to formal English and then to the early linguistic heritage of the speaker, which is far more difficult.  Sarah Palin is not someone whose diction and word choice I would want to introduce as English speech. 

I notice that she went to college in Hawaii... and found it miserable. Maybe there are so many people there whose native languages are Spanish, Portuguese, Tagalog, Chinese, or Korean. (In case you wonder about Japanese -- mass Japanese immigration to the US ended before World War II, and Japanese-Americans are safely assumed to be Anglophone).

(2) Urban America, except for parts of the South, contains the majority of the ethnic and non-Christian religious minorities.  Rural America is far more conformist... and conforming to a culture in which one is not raised is difficult. Sarah Palin insulted people not of her culture by castigating Americans outside her conception of "Real America".

(3) This may apply to Sarah Palin more than to other Republicans -- Asian-Americans are very bourgeois in their attitudes toward education and family life. I can't speak for Asian-Americans, but I saw the spectacle in the 2008 Republican National Convention in which one of Sarah's unmarried daughters came in with a baby  (OK, that can happen) -- but so did the unmarried young man who fathered the child. Bourgeois types would find the appearance of an unmarried woman with a child in a high-profile public event bad enough, but the unmarried seed-supplier as well? What happens in Hollywood and gets accepted because the person involved is a celebrity who earns millions is very different from what one accepts in the Real World.

A Party that vilifies education will offend educated people even if those people are conservative in lifestyle.     
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