At what point will GOP donors be stunned that no one wants another Bush

[pbrower2a]

When the networks call Virginia for Clinton.

[pbrower2a]

I can just see October 2016, Jeb runs a fairly moderate campaign but never pulls closer than 3 points within Clinton. I think their donors are in complete denial about how bad the Bush brand is. Hillary hasn't even attacked yet, wait until she runs ads showing images of Iraq, Katrina and the recession. She can point out that Jeb has hired large parts of W's team.

Right now, more Americans have a favorable view of President Bush 43 than approve of President Obama's job performance. If this were 2012, the strategy you described would probably work. It's going to be 7 years since George W. Bush left office, and people will look at Jeb Bush's record. Hillary Clinton should try to find something in Jeb Bush's record as Governor to attack, not his brother.

The challenge for Hillary Clinton is that Governor Bush can tell voters she is running for President Obama's third term. That is far more damaging than telling people that Jeb Bush isn't fit to be President because his brother was a bad President.

Should President Obama become a failure as President in the next fifteen months, then no Democratic nominee for President has a chance in 2016. On the other side, Hillary Clinton can win much as George H W Bush won in 1988 -- basically, "Keep up the good work". Few Presidents have won election that way, but that is all that is available to any Democratic nominee in 2016.

It may be ironic, but Barack Obama has much the same political skillsert as Ronalr Reagtan.

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PPP has a report on Virginia coming out this week.  No Republican has won the Presidency without Virginia since 1924, and no Republican is going to win without Virginia in 2016.

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Vague. Obama won a near-landslide in 2008. 2008 was not really close.

I find it very, very hard to believe that people would connect Hillary to Obama and not Jeb to Dubya. Clinton and Obama haven't been the best of friends necessarily, while the Bushes are literally brothers. This guy literally has the same parents as one of the most hated politicians in modern history! Maybe a lot of people dislike Obama, but I don't think connecting Hillary to him is a viable defense to the Bush connection at all.

It's a fact that George W. Bush isn't looked at well by many, and it's a fact that we don't want a dynasty. I suppose a Clinton Dynasty wouldn't be welcome either, but I think most people would look at a Bush Trilogy even worse.

There are two groups the Republican nominee needs to do fairly well in to guarantee victory: disgruntled conservatives and independent moderates. Disgruntled conservatives won't support a moderate, just how not all of the Sanders/Warren crowd will support Hillary. Independent moderates won't support Bush 3.0.

Someone like Marco Rubio, John Kasich, a better-focused Rand Paul, or a better-articulated Scott Walker could get both of those groups far better than Hillary can. The Republican donor-class and establishment is, as always, completely clueless.

[pbrower2a]

I can just see October 2016, Jeb runs a fairly moderate campaign but never pulls closer than 3 points within Clinton. I think their donors are in complete denial about how bad the Bush brand is. Hillary hasn't even attacked yet, wait until she runs ads showing images of Iraq, Katrina and the recession. She can point out that Jeb has hired large parts of W's team.

Right now, more Americans have a favorable view of President Bush 43 than approve of President Obama's job performance. If this were 2012, the strategy you described would probably work. It's going to be 7 years since George W. Bush left office, and people will look at Jeb Bush's record. Hillary Clinton should try to find something in Jeb Bush's record as Governor to attack, not his brother.

The challenge for Hillary Clinton is that Governor Bush can tell voters she is running for President Obama's third term. That is far more damaging than telling people that Jeb Bush isn't fit to be President because his brother was a bad President.

Should President Obama become a failure as President in the next fifteen months, then no Democratic nominee for President has a chance in 2016. On the other side, Hillary Clinton can win much as George H W Bush won in 1988 -- basically, "Keep up the good work". Few Presidents have won election that way, but that is all that is available to any Democratic nominee in 2016.

It may be ironic, but Barack Obama has much the same political skillsert as Ronalr Reagtan.

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PPP has a report on Virginia coming out this week.  No Republican has won the Presidency without Virginia since 1924, and no Republican is going to win without Virginia in 2016.

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Vague. Obama won a near-landslide in 2008. 2008 was not really close.

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Indeed!

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People who believe that the GOP isn't right-wing enough and political moderates of any type are incompatible.

[pbrower2a]

In case anyone has yet to read the latest polling on Virginia:

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.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/07/bush-leads-gop-field-in-virginia-but-clinton-ahead-for-general.html#more

The Republican nominee for President is not going to win the Presidency without Virginia in the general election. At this point, she is close to the magic 50% against every potential Republican nominee and up by at least 4% (the margin of error) . It is telling that Bernie Sanders is coming close despite limited name recognition.

 

[pbrower2a]

Again, pbrower2a:

1.) The Republican candidate CAN win without Virginia.
2.) Early polls don't mean anything.

Why are you guys acting as if Bush has no chance in hell of winning?

No chance? No. Thing must change drastically for any Republican to have a chance to win the Presidency against Hillary Clinton.

You are welcome to show what dynamics doom Hillary Clinton.

"Obama failure?" -- sure. But that's about what has to happen for any Republican to have a real chance.