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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2011, 05:15:41 AM »
Quote from: JulioMadrid on August 24, 2011, 09:44:43 AM
And... nothing more. Rubalcaba is campaign¡ng hard and we still don't know where Mariano Rajoy is.

I know the likelihood is tiny, but... Could Rubalcaba pull a Truman ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2011, 11:06:18 AM »
Quote from: Tim Tax-Grab Hudak on October 02, 2011, 10:59:55 AM
The PP will win, and if they don't win an absolute majority they should shoot themselves for stupidity. Their campaign is stupid, boring, populistic and hypocritical (attacking the PSOE from the left). But nobody cares.

Aren't you a bit pessimistic ? I don't really know how each party stands right now, but there are still weeks before the elections and if PP is that uninspiring the current trend could maybe be reversed.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2011, 02:06:05 AM »
I don't really know, but it must have something to do with the king having played a key role in the country's democratization after Franco's death.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2011, 04:24:57 AM »
Quote from: JulioMadrid on October 05, 2011, 04:05:13 AM
I don't think Gallardon would be a democrat. he's a moderate when he talks, but when he acts he's only a bit less conservative than Aguirre

We could say the same of a lot of democrats. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2011, 02:33:14 AM »
Quote from: Iannis on October 11, 2011, 02:30:49 AM
Quote from: Χahar on October 10, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
Quote from: The Goy's Teeth on October 04, 2011, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: Mynheer Peeperkorn on October 04, 2011, 06:04:09 AM
Quote from: The Goy's Teeth on October 04, 2011, 05:31:39 AM
Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

Of course the Republican Party isn't founded on fascism.

Well, but in short time to say that PP "was founded on fascism" will be like saying that US democratic party was founded on slavery and segregationism.

30 years after its foundation, the democrats were still segregationist.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2011, 04:23:29 AM »
« Edited: November 13, 2011, 04:39:37 AM by E' finita !!! »
I can't believe polls are so bleak. OK, economy goes wrong, but a 20-points lead ?? Shocked
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2011, 03:32:53 PM »
Quote from: Harry Hayfield on November 19, 2011, 03:20:38 PM
Could I ask what the polling hours are (local time) and whether I may be permitted to report the results sourcing EuroNews?

Why shouldn't you be permitted ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2011, 03:53:19 AM »
Is turnout expected to drop significantly ? With the crisis and all, there should be plenty of people disappointed by politics in general.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2011, 09:20:03 AM »
No chance of PP being under the magic 175 line ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2011, 02:35:41 PM »
Crossing fingers for a PP majority as narrow as possible, but the picture looks bleak.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2011, 02:56:34 PM »
4 minutes left ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2011, 03:21:52 PM »
PSOE under 30%... Cry
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2011, 04:05:25 PM »
Looks like polls were right after all...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2011, 04:43:27 PM »
What an awful day for Spain. Julio, I feel your pain.


Well, at least people will have no one to blame but themselves once Rajoy sends the country back to the Stone Age.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2011, 01:16:36 PM »
God, that hurts.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2011, 03:36:54 AM »
Couldn't Rubalcaba stay at the lead of the party ? After all, Rajoy lost twice before winning...
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2011, 04:10:45 PM »
Quote from: scoopa on November 22, 2011, 08:55:09 AM

Quote from: Meno male che Silvio non c'è più ! on November 22, 2011, 03:36:54 AM
Couldn't Rubalcaba stay at the lead of the party ? After all, Rajoy lost twice before winning...

Yeah, but Rajoy never lost by a difference of 4 million votes and he wasn't a member of the most unpopular government ever.

Nobody intellectually honest can claim it was his fault, though.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2011, 05:18:40 PM »
Quote from: redcommander on November 22, 2011, 05:14:46 PM
Does anyone know if any ministers or cabinet officials lost their seats? Usually with a loss that big you would expect that to happen.

Actually I think it's pretty hard with blocked-list PR, because no matter how destroyed a party gets, it most probably still gets at least 1 MP in each constituency.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2011, 04:20:38 AM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on November 22, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Quote from: JulioMadrid on November 22, 2011, 05:35:34 PM
Quote from: redcommander on November 22, 2011, 05:14:46 PM
Does anyone know if any ministers or cabinet officials lost their seats? Usually with a loss that big you would expect that to happen.

No minister lost his/her seat;) They are usually number 1 or 2 in the lists for Congress, so it's almost impossible (the minister of interior could have lost his seat if PP had got more than 65% of the vote in Zamora, but he didn't).

Yes; this is one of the issues sometimes raised against closed list PR (especially in Italy during the DC era).

Didn't Italy have preferential voting back then ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,361
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2011, 05:02:43 AM »
Quote from: Teddy (SoFE) on November 24, 2011, 03:14:59 AM
I used to be a right-wing Social Democrat before I became a left-wing Progressive Capitalist

Now I don't get it.

Unless you are using a wrong definition of the word, of course.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,361
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 07:28:30 AM »
Magnificent maps ! Smiley


Why did ERC run in Valencia and in the Baleares ? And EAC in Madrid ? Huh
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,361
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 10:15:00 AM »
I'm eager to finish reading your extraordinary guide, but you have to recognize it requires to have quite a bit of time left. Wink
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