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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2012, 07:09:03 PM »
Quote from: Icehand Gino on November 20, 2012, 12:36:40 AM
Thanks Wink

Oui, je suis français (d'origine italienne, mais je n'en parle pas un mot).

C'est vrai? Alors ça c'est incroyable! Smiley Bienvenue en tout cas.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2012, 04:32:43 PM »
BTW, my University Sciences Po is in an epic sh*tstorm right now. Apparently their finances were all over the place.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2012, 01:34:02 AM »
Quote from: Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay on November 22, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on November 22, 2012, 04:32:43 PM
BTW, my University Sciences Po is in an epic sh*tstorm right now. Apparently their finances were all over the place.

Yeah, seems that his last boss wasn't that wonderful... Tongue

I'm quite torn on this issue, because it's undeniable that Descoings and his team did a formidable job in turning Sciences Po around, opening it to the international scene and reaching out to people outside of the privileged bubble. He might have thought that such a job justified ripping off the school's finances with outrageous salaries, and I of course disagree. Tongue So, yeah, it's time to overhaul the school's functioning and dismantle the Descoings' system. But his reputation shouldn't be entirely tarnished by this.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2012, 02:04:51 PM »
Politics can and do change things. Look at history, there are plenty of examples of this.

If I thought for a single instant that the politicians' only job was to "deal with an already existing reality", I wouldn't bother voting.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2012, 03:39:42 PM »
Anyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and many have said that they don't recognize Cahuzac's voice in the registration. However, if it's true, that's absolutely unforgivable. You can't be a minister (especially a left-wing minister) asking people for sacrifices of all sorts while your money is safely hidden in some tax heaven. That's just disgusting. You know how much I despise Woerth, I won't treat Cahuzac differently because he's left-wing.


Quote from: big bad fab on December 07, 2012, 02:57:26 AM
as they'd NEVER have been under Sarkozy...

Really? Really?!?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2012, 09:10:34 AM »
Constitutional Council (our SC) just overturned Hollande's 75% tax bill, on a technicality. Just when the government seemingly could not prove any more incompetent, it turns out they are even unable to properly draft legislation.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2013, 05:41:45 PM »
Pécresse too? Dear Lord...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2013, 03:02:55 PM »
I still doubt Hollande will give up on this. He has to give something to his base, which is already pissed off by his fiscal policies and will be even more once the serious spending cuts kick in. Societal reforms are a good way to gain leftist credentials without having to spend much. Wink



OMG. I assume that's not her real name. Shocked
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2013, 03:23:15 PM »
Quote from: Space Biker for Governor on January 13, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on January 13, 2013, 03:02:55 PM
Societal reforms are a good way to gain leftist credentials without having to spend much. Wink

*cough* David Cameron *cough*

Cameron did not really need leftist credentials, though. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2013, 03:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Space Biker for Governor on January 13, 2013, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on January 13, 2013, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: Space Biker for Governor on January 13, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on January 13, 2013, 03:02:55 PM
Societal reforms are a good way to gain leftist credentials without having to spend much. Wink

*cough* David Cameron *cough*

Cameron did not really need leftist credentials, though. Tongue

No, in his case I meant "moderate" credentials to hide right-wing economic policy.

But Hollande does not have large segments of his own party fiercely opposed to gay marriage, fortunately. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2013, 04:02:09 PM »
Yeah, the silent majority sides with the government (and with History) on this issue, and I am confident that this will easily get through no matter how much the paranoid reactionaries will whine.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2013, 11:05:36 PM »

Most likely, yeah.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2013, 01:43:51 PM »
Quote from: Verkrampte Hoofleier on January 31, 2013, 09:25:31 AM
The gay marriage debate has started. Taubira made a surprisingly powerful and stirring defense of gay marriage and destroyed the right's strawman arguments; the right wants a referendum (which would be arguably unconstitutional); the right continues to prove that they're raging homophobes from the 1860s (speaking about 'nature' and that awful stuff). Jacques Bompard (fascist creep from the Vaucluse) is trolling, and has proposed amendments to legalize polygamy, incest, marriages between minors and family members but also getting rid of marriage altogether.

Here's a diagram of how the deputies should vote: http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/visuel/2013/01/30/mariage-pour-tous-comment-devraient-voter-les-deputes_1824115_3224.html

LOL @ Lassalle being the only "undecided". Modem staying true to its Moderate Hero creed, I guess. Tongue

Anyway, Borloo, Lagarde and Jégo are good surprises. But since these are basically the "leaders" of the UDI group, it's surprising that they don't bring any backbenchers with them...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2013, 02:14:57 PM »
Quote from: Verkrampte Hoofleier on January 31, 2013, 02:03:04 PM
A summary of the right's 5,630 amendments to the text:
http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2013/01/28/mariage-gay-les-pires-amendements-deposes-opposition_n_2567744.html#quiz_6059

Besides the trollin'-n'-strawmannin' fascist who proposes to legalize pedophilia, incest and polygamy; highlights include: xenophobia (the current bill would allow bi-national couples to marry even if one of their native countries does not recognize SSM), weird religious sh**t from Thierry Benoit, some weird sh**t about how children should always live with their biological parents (a thinly-veiled attack on adoption and adoptive parents in general) and banning adoptions in general by singles.

The right sinks lower and lower every day.

See, this is why you can safely stick with the left no matter how incompetent they might be.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2013, 04:28:55 PM »
Looks like UMP deputies didn't even bother turning out. LOL.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2013, 07:36:26 PM »
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on February 02, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
Well, even if they have been recycling their front-benchers a bit with new more modern specimens, there are still a good bulk of the PCF that is composed of 60+ people with sometimes not so progressive views on societal issues... One of their deputies, André Gerin, even ended up being quite the racist, before getting expelled from the parliament group and not reelected in 2012.

Was Gérin racist? I remember him not being a fan of burqas and all, but I wouldn't say that makes him racist.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2013, 08:22:40 PM »
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on February 02, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Weeeell, he was borderline.

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Pretty awful, yeah... but not quite racist.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2013, 03:38:16 PM »
Good.

Why does it take so long before going to the Senate, though?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2013, 02:18:26 PM »
"Cumul" reform delayed indefinitely... This government is officially a joke.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2013, 12:37:25 AM »
Quote from: Simfan34 on February 19, 2013, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: Californian Tony on February 17, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
"Cumul" reform delayed indefinitely... This government is officially a joke.

Great news! Sarkozy 2017.

I don't know why you have such a crush on Sarkozy. He's not really your kind of rightist.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2013, 02:05:57 PM »
Yeah, there's really no point in these kinds of stuff.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 08:00:14 PM »

LOL Cheesy

Probably doesn't mean much, simply people who might like the MoDem "branch" but would probably never vote for the actual candidate the MoDem could put up (ie a total nobody).
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2013, 06:44:18 PM »
Quote from: Hashemite on March 17, 2013, 06:41:06 PM
I guess I should put this here: anybody interested in me beginning to write up some complete guide (like the incomplete one I attempted before the legislatives in June) for the municipal elections next year, covering all major cities and other issues of local government in France? I figure if I get an early start, I might put together something which isn't horrible.

Absolutely! Smiley Though I think you should start a new thread in the International Elections board.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2013, 06:19:02 PM »
Good thing. It is intolerable to have our budget minister under these kinds of accusations, even if he ends up being innocent.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2013, 06:22:04 AM »
Quote from: Hashemite on March 22, 2013, 05:35:52 AM
Sarko indicted in the Mamie Zinzin/Bettencourt affair: http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/03/21/affaire-bettencourt-sarkozy-confronte-au-majordome_1852256_3224.html#xtor=EPR-32280229-[NL_Titresdujour]-20130322-[titres]

The right throws a fit, the FN is doing its smug face and the left is overjoyed.

The NatAss rejected the first no confidence motion of this government, proposed by the UMP. Only the UMP and most of the UDI voted in favour; all others didn't vote at all because only votes in favour count against the government.

btw, Sarko seems to have given up on life. He looks as sh**tty as the Sarcelles Pimp.



This is the face of France's next President.


...at least if we believe the word of Phil, the great expert in French politics. Tongue
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