Should Dylann Roof receive the death penalty?/Will he?

[Antonio the Sixth]

No/No.

I don't believe in the death penalty, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it happening to him.

But, it's South Carolina and he is a White who killed Black people. He will surely find at least one sympathetic juror to him.

This, most probably.

[Antonio the Sixth]

And the "i won't lose sleep over it" answer is weasal words. Just come out and say it: "I sincerely hope this mass murderer's life will be spared, and will object mightily if is not". Anything less is a desire to hold the smug 'moral high ground' while simultaneously quietly admitting some offenses deserve execution.

What a load of bullsh*t.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes, actually. It is a lot less meally mouthed than the "i don't support the death penalty but won't mind when this guy gets it" b.s. several posters (including you) stated previously.

It's entirely possible to oppose the death penalty as an institution because of its chance to kill innocents, while not having a single qualm about - as long as it's legal - it being applied to mass murderers where there is zero doubt about their guilt.

I believe executing killers is completely morally justifiable, yet I'd be happy if it went away simply because I don't trust the states to apply it, personally.

That's at least somewhat reasonable. the rub is that prohibition means in all cases, no matter how henious and deserving, requires telling victims' families their loved one's kileer will live out his days.

I oppose the death penalty because of the act itself, not its consequence. I don't think that the State has the right to take a human being's life. That doesn't mean I actively wish criminals to continue living. I wouldn't shed a tear for Roof if he was sentenced to death, just like I wouldn't shed a tear if he was struck by lightning or hanged himself in his cell. I am completely indifferent to his fate. It's only the act of killing I oppose.

Is that clear enough for you?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes, actually. It is a lot less meally mouthed than the "i don't support the death penalty but won't mind when this guy gets it" b.s. several posters (including you) stated previously.

It's entirely possible to oppose the death penalty as an institution because of its chance to kill innocents, while not having a single qualm about - as long as it's legal - it being applied to mass murderers where there is zero doubt about their guilt.

I believe executing killers is completely morally justifiable, yet I'd be happy if it went away simply because I don't trust the states to apply it, personally.

That's at least somewhat reasonable. the rub is that prohibition means in all cases, no matter how henious and deserving, requires telling victims' families their loved one's kileer will live out his days.

I oppose the death penalty because of the act itself, not its consequence. I don't think that the State has the right to take a human being's life. That doesn't mean I actively wish criminals to continue living. I wouldn't shed a tear for Roof if he was sentenced to death, just like I wouldn't shed a tear if he was struck by lightning or hanged himself in his cell. I am completely indifferent to his fate. It's only the act of killing I oppose.

Is that clear enough for you?

Clearly pussyfooted. If you oppose the death penalty you oppose it just as strongly against the Dylann Roofs of the world as the construct of the framed victim of race and privilege, etc.

That's not what I said. Learn to read.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If I were the governor and his death sentence came to my desk, I would pardon him. In any circumstance, I would do anything to prevent an execution from happening. That doesn't mean I would feel any sadness or compassion for him if he actually is executed.

What Badger clearly doesn't get (or pretends not to get) is that my opposition to death penalty isn't born out of compassion for the convict. Compassion for the convict might help in certain cases where death clearly isn't deserved, but it's not the main issue. I have no compassion for Roof and, again, I wouldn't feel sorry if he was struck by lightning. So why should I feel sorry if he ends up getting executed?