Opinion of Obama's gun speech today

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What % of shootings (accidental or intentional, including suicides) are done by the hardened criminals who know how to get illegal black market guns and have the means to do so?

Right-wingers/libertarians always claim "no need for gun laws because the CRIMINALS will still get guns anyway!!!" and they're right in a sense that background checks and the like aren't going to prevent the career criminals with black market connections from getting the guns. But I suspect they don't account for the vast majority of shootings like the Right tries to portray.

(I'm actually asking BTW. I don't know the answer, and I'd like to.)

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What % of shootings (accidental or intentional, including suicides) are done by the hardened criminals who know how to get illegal black market guns and have the means to do so?

Right-wingers/libertarians always claim "no need for gun laws because the CRIMINALS will still get guns anyway!!!" and they're right in a sense that background checks and the like aren't going to prevent the career criminals with black market connections from getting the guns. But I suspect they don't account for the vast majority of shootings like the Right tries to portray.

(I'm actually asking BTW. I don't know the answer, and I'd like to.)

Unsurprisingly, none of the gunlovers even acknowledged my question, because they know it would undermine their entire overarching argument on guns.

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What % of shootings (accidental or intentional, including suicides) are done by the hardened criminals who know how to get illegal black market guns and have the means to do so?

Right-wingers/libertarians always claim "no need for gun laws because the CRIMINALS will still get guns anyway!!!" and they're right in a sense that background checks and the like aren't going to prevent the career criminals with black market connections from getting the guns. But I suspect they don't account for the vast majority of shootings like the Right tries to portray.

(I'm actually asking BTW. I don't know the answer, and I'd like to.)

Unsurprisingly, none of the gunlovers even acknowledged my question, because they know it would undermine their entire overarching argument on guns.

"hardened criminals" is not a category which lends itself to statistical analysis, but here's what I found:

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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/05/joe-scarborough/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-tiny-fraction-crimes-commit/

Most criminal shootings don't result in a traceable murder weapon, so it's hard to know for sure, but it seems to be a small amount.  As for how many suicide and accidental gun deaths are from illegal weapons, I don't know.

That's interesting, but it's not exactly what I asked. I want to know how many murders, accidental shootings, and suicides are committed by people who are such criminals that they would flippantly purchase guns on the black market without regard to the law. The gun fanatics always imply that this number is practically 100%.

But if it's not 100%, it shoots holes in their argument that gun laws are useless.

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what do you mean "flippantly"?   You don't need to be "such criminals" to purchase guns on the black market.  You just need a connection and a reason.   

People who knowingly break laws are being flippant to the government.

Again, gun enthusiasts imply that virtually all shootings are committed by people who don't follow laws and will just buy black market guns without regard to what's legal and what's not. I suspect that they greatly exaggerate the % of shootings (including accidents and suicides) that are committed by people with the necessary black market connections and necessary flippant attitude to do so.

And if I'm right, the whole argument of "gun control never works because criminals can get guns anyway!!!" doesn't really hold together logically.